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Windows Desktop to stay for the foreseeable future!

  1. #11


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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I don't know, we'll see what happens. Remember what happened with DOS? Once Windows 95 came out, it eventually lead up to the point in Windows 2000 where it was nothing more than just a simple black box where one can type in text commands. It wasn't the basis of Windows anymore. I think that will happen with the Desktop UI, it will become something that will be there, only for the people that need to use it. There was speculation over two years ago that Microsoft was going to make the Desktop as a service, that one can disable or enable at will....
    That "simple black box where you can type in text commands" is not DOS by the way. Its a command shell with similar commands but its not DOS. Windows 2000 did not have DOS. DOS was there because it needed to be there. The Windows Command shell is somewhat of a replacement for it.

    I do believe there are a lot more people that want, need, and use the desktop environment, than you think there are. You really don't get it do you? You can't seem to understand that there are people that do things on their PC that you don't do? And there are a lot of use. You can dismiss us if you wish but I think it could be a very big mistake for Microsoft to do that.
    Yeah, that's my meaning of the simple black box, it's not DOS, but just a text based command input.

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  2. #12


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    The Desktop in 8 is quite honestly probably the selling point of a WinRT tablet. apple may have the "must have" appeal to the ipad, but a WinRT tablet with the Desktop and Office 2013 has the "more bang for buck" appeal. When you shop on a tight tech budget, what wins? An interface will simple icons that just has more spacing with the icons from the phone variant or an interface that can be used to copy and paste files to a flash drive, I say the latter wins be over. The Desktop will be used a lot, but it will eventually leave. Maybe not Windows 9, maybe until 10 or the 11th version; but it's fairly inevitable.
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  3. #13


    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    I beg to differ. Windows 8 is the beautiful, new M$/Metro interface with the naked -> no-start-button <- legacy desktop taking second place. I think it will remain for a while until all software is written in the new M$ interface. Then as McCartney ended the song "Helen Wheels" -> "Say bye-bye" Paul McCartney and Wings-Helen Wheels - YouTube
    I'll continue the trend of being in disagreement. Windows 8 is the sacrifice of functionality over eye-candy. Until these "apps" are able to be adjusted in screen size to any size that I want (not just snapped left or right in a 320p) panel, it's absolutely USELESS. The "only" time that I only have 1 thing going on my computer is when I am gaming. Otherwise, I want multiple apps open, a taskbar that I can see and interact with.

    The new interface is just like a tablet in my opinion. It supplements the real computer (legacy desktop) and could easily be skipped altogether. If I could install Windows 8 without Metro I would do it in a heartbeat.
    I think they will work out the snap and multi-monitor problem in time. One will be able to multi-pane as described in one my posts here: https://www.eightforums.com/general-d...tml#post106867
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  4. #14


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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by phailyoor View Post
    Windows 8 is the desktop with a phone UI haphazardly bolted on. It's not a phone UI that includes a desktop "app."
    I beg to differ. Windows 8 is the beautiful, new M$/Metro interface with the naked -> no-start-button <- legacy desktop taking second place. I think it will remain for a while until all software is written in the new M$ interface. Then as McCartney ended the song "Helen Wheels" -> "Say bye-bye" Paul McCartney and Wings-Helen Wheels - YouTube
    Do you expect huge multiplayer games and professional software to be writen in Met...uhhm... "new Windows 8 UI" and be available on the Windows Appstore only? I think its the song by McCartney called "Friends to Go" will be more suited on Windows 8 at the moment. Micrsoft's "friends" such as OEMs may not adopt Windows 8 that much and users might skip Windows 8 or go adopt Linuxes or Macs instead.
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  5. #15


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    The Desktop in 8 is quite honestly probably the selling point of a WinRT tablet. apple may have the "must have" appeal to the ipad, but a WinRT tablet with the Desktop and Office 2013 has the "more bang for buck" appeal. When you shop on a tight tech budget, what wins? An interface will simple icons that just has more spacing with the icons from the phone variant or an interface that can be used to copy and paste files to a flash drive, I say the latter wins be over. The Desktop will be used a lot, but it will eventually leave. Maybe not Windows 9, maybe until 10 or the 11th version; but it's fairly inevitable.
    Maybe, but the thing is, The Desktop environment on the RT is very restricted. Current Windows software won't run on it without being modified and or rewritten. Office 2013 is one example. And the version included on the RT is incomplete, no Outlook for one thing. I am almost certain that if I buy an RT, every time I use it I'll wish I had bought a Pro instead.
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  6. #16


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    It depends what you mean by the "Desktop".

    If you are interested in managing your own files and creating content - you need a workspace to do that, some kind of file manager, and of course you need to be able to multitask in that space.

    That is a Desktop.

    It might change in appearance, the name might change too, but it is still a Desktop.



    If you are only interested in consuming content - you don't need that.

    I expect those who are calling for it's removal are content consumers.


    @Cokie - the so called desktop in win8 rt looks pointless at the moment.

    I don't see how that gives any advantage over what Apple is offereing.

    Yes, the win8 Pro does offer something different from ipad - but it looks like it will be a completelty different price point and therefore competing with ultrabooks - not with ipad.
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  7. #17


    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    Maybe, but the thing is, The Desktop environment on the RT is very restricted. Current Windows software won't run on it without being modified and or rewritten. Office 2013 is one example. And the version included on the RT is incomplete, no Outlook for one thing. I am almost certain that if I buy an RT, every time I use it I'll wish I had bought a Pro instead.
    You are aware that the use of the desktop, is limited to Microsoft applications only, right? They won't allow or provide access to API's and such to any third party vendors. So, your list of software will be signficantly limited due to this.
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  8. #18


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    Maybe, but the thing is, The Desktop environment on the RT is very restricted. Current Windows software won't run on it without being modified and or rewritten. Office 2013 is one example. And the version included on the RT is incomplete, no Outlook for one thing. I am almost certain that if I buy an RT, every time I use it I'll wish I had bought a Pro instead.
    You are aware that the use of the desktop, is limited to Microsoft applications only, right? They won't allow or provide access to API's and such to any third party vendors. So, your list of software will be signficantly limited due to this.
    Yes, that's my point? I personally am not all that interested in buying Windows RT and being limited to just Metro APPs.
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  9. #19


    Quote Originally Posted by Vertex View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by phailyoor View Post
    Windows 8 is the desktop with a phone UI haphazardly bolted on. It's not a phone UI that includes a desktop "app."
    I beg to differ. Windows 8 is the beautiful, new M$/Metro interface with the naked -> no-start-button <- legacy desktop taking second place. I think it will remain for a while until all software is written in the new M$ interface. Then as McCartney ended the song "Helen Wheels" -> "Say bye-bye" Paul McCartney and Wings-Helen Wheels - YouTube
    Do you expect huge multiplayer games and professional software to be writen in Met...uhhm... "new Windows 8 UI" and be available on the Windows Appstore only? I think its the song by McCartney called "Friends to Go" will be more suited on Windows 8 at the moment. Micrsoft's "friends" such as OEMs may not adopt Windows 8 that much and users might skip Windows 8 or go adopt Linuxes or Macs instead.
    Correct. I think that is exactly where M$ is headed. The introduction of the new Metro GUI, placing it in first in priority, and placing the classical desktop GUI as second is directional in a plan of drastic change. Their plan is like time -> It flows in one direction. The removal of the Start Menu and replacing it with the Metro Start Screen is also another huge clue. I think this is their plan, whether anyone likes it or not. One may dam a river as it flows to the ocean, but sooner or later it will reach the ocean.

    I understand the rewriting of any legacy programs in the new M$/Metro interface, whatever software it may be, will be a big undertaking. It will not happen overnight. I'm thinking a 2 to 3 year time period. We may think of the M$ store as their new means of a software retailing business. They are simply mimicking Apple, Google via Android, Walmart, Cosco, one's local grocery store, gift shop, etc. Nothing new -> One buys wholesale and sells retail for a capitol principal called profit. In this case on consignment. Let's see....We've been selling OSs for 30 some-odd years, so why don't we get into a software retail business just like others are? Dah! If M$ is accused of anything, it should be that they're slow in this department!

    Also -> LQQk at all that money OEMs are making on hardware. Why don't we get into that business too?!! It's called capitalism. It's what generally makes the world go around. We all have the right to get into any business we so choose. God help us if the government or anyone takes that right away!

    I think all this will lead to better, less complicated, and more efficient computing. If one wants to remain nostalgic and remain in the way things are performed now, that's one's choice. I for one, very much like and will go with the change.

    @ SIW2

    It depends what you mean by the "Desktop".
    I believe it was the first "Windows" GUI added to DOS.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Desktop

    I believe once all software, which is being performed now, is rewritten and M$ works out the multi-monitor and multi-pane problem, the "Desktop" GUI will disappear. We will view it in the new GUI called Metro.
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  10. #20


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    I think, it would have been a better solution if Windows 8 has a full-Metro and full-Desktop mode but either one can be disabled at will or have both of them running side by side but we know its too late for this now. Imagine, OEMs for Desktops, laptops and netbooks will have the Desktop as the default UI, complete with the Start button and Menu but still has the "new Windows UI" to be enabled as an option and tablets like the Surface will have the "new Windows UI" as Default to promote this new platform but still have the ability to run in full Desktop mode at will. If Surface was like that when I have enough money, I would choose that over any tablet any day and I swear that to God.

    If you think OEMs make most of their money selling hardware, think again. They have started into the apps or cloud business as well, suggested by the ton of bloatware preinstalled on their machines, most of which only add up to the long list of Startup items that I would rather not use. I just had a new Asus Netbook, 2 weeks ago. It came with Windows 7 Starter bundled with a ton of bloatware (as expected). When I open the My Computer window, it has an Asus Web storage link in there. The netbook also came with a cloud-based OS from Asus as well that I might never use cause the places I spend my time don't have their Wifi connections for public use and are probably slow.
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