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Vince53

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Windows 7 is supposed to overtake Windows XP (again) by the end of August. Assuming this is true, you do realize what will happen? Windows 8 Upgrade will come out next month, most of the upgrades will be from Windows 7, and XP will once again be the world's dominant operating system.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8
Why do you think that?
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 18.3 MATE (64 bit)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    n/a
    CPU
    AMD Phenom II x6 1055T, 2.8 GHz
    Motherboard
    ASRock 880GMH-LE/USB3
    Memory
    8GB DDR3 1333 G-Skill Ares F3-1333C9D-8GAO (4GB x 2)
    Graphics Card(s)
    ATI Radeon HD6450
    Sound Card
    Realtek?
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung S23B350
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Western Digital 1.5 TB (SATA), Western Digital 2 TB (SATA), Western Digital 3 TB (SATA)
    Case
    Tower
    Mouse
    Wired Optical
    Other Info
    Linux Mint 16 MATE (64 bit) replaced with Linux Mint 17 MATE (64 bit) - 2014-05-17
    Linux Mint 14 MATE (64 bit) replaced with Linux Mint 16 MATE (64 bit) - 2013-11-13
    Ubuntu 10.04 (64 bit) replaced with Linux Mint 14 MATE (64 bit) - 2013-01-14
    RAM & Graphics Card Upgraded - 2013-01-13
    Monitor Upgraded - 2012-04-20
    System Upgraded - 2011-05-21, 2010-07-14
    HDD Upgraded - 2010-08-11, 2011-08-24,
Why do you think that?

First, I have received a horrible news flash. You can install the Windows 8 upgrade on the Windows 8 Preview Edition ONLY if you installed the Preview Edition as an upgrade to Windows XP or 7. If you did a clean install (as I did) you cannot upgrade it.

Despite the hype, if a computer has been built from the ground up for XP, it is probably not a good idea to upgrade it. You can, but it isn't worth the risk. XP users have pretty well decided by now that they don't want to upgrade. So most upgrades will be from 7, decreasing the number of computers running 7, and XP will regain its place as the world's most popular operating system.
 
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My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8
I guess that is possible.
I would have thought that XP machines would be closer to their "Use By" date though (i.e. on their "last legs").
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 18.3 MATE (64 bit)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    n/a
    CPU
    AMD Phenom II x6 1055T, 2.8 GHz
    Motherboard
    ASRock 880GMH-LE/USB3
    Memory
    8GB DDR3 1333 G-Skill Ares F3-1333C9D-8GAO (4GB x 2)
    Graphics Card(s)
    ATI Radeon HD6450
    Sound Card
    Realtek?
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung S23B350
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Western Digital 1.5 TB (SATA), Western Digital 2 TB (SATA), Western Digital 3 TB (SATA)
    Case
    Tower
    Mouse
    Wired Optical
    Other Info
    Linux Mint 16 MATE (64 bit) replaced with Linux Mint 17 MATE (64 bit) - 2014-05-17
    Linux Mint 14 MATE (64 bit) replaced with Linux Mint 16 MATE (64 bit) - 2013-11-13
    Ubuntu 10.04 (64 bit) replaced with Linux Mint 14 MATE (64 bit) - 2013-01-14
    RAM & Graphics Card Upgraded - 2013-01-13
    Monitor Upgraded - 2012-04-20
    System Upgraded - 2011-05-21, 2010-07-14
    HDD Upgraded - 2010-08-11, 2011-08-24,
Why do you think that?

First, I have received a horrible news flash. Yu can install the Windows 8 upgrade on the Windows 8 Preview Edition ONLY if you installed the Preview Edition as an upgrade to Windows XP or 7. If you did a clean install (as I did) you cannot upgrade it.

Despite the hype, if a computer has been built from the ground up for XP, it is probably not a good idea to upgrade it. You can, but it isn't worth the risk. XP users have pretty well decided by now that they don't want to upgrade. So most upgrades will be from 7, decreasing the number of computers running 7, and XP will regain its place as the world's most popular operating system.

Really?
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS
    CPU
    AMD FX 8320
    Motherboard
    Crosshair V Formula-Z
    Memory
    16 gig DDR3
    Graphics Card(s)
    ASUS R9 270
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900
    Hard Drives
    1 TB Seagate Barracuda (starting to hate Seagate)
    x2 3 TB Toshibas
    Windows 8.1 is installed on a SanDisk Ultra Plus 256 GB
    PSU
    OCZ 500 watt
    Case
    A current work in progres as I'll be building the physical case myself. It shall be fantastic.
    Cooling
    Arctic Cooler with 3 heatpipes
    Keyboard
    Logitech K750 wireless solar powered keyboard
    Mouse
    Microsoft Touch Mouse
    Browser
    Internet Explorer 11
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender, but I might go back on KIS 2014
Actually, I've installed and used Windows 8 on a few xp era machines, so far, they run it quite fine, it uses somewhat about the same of RAM usage, a tad more though. CPU and disk usage is lower. Graphics performance is where it borders on iffy. I've had a terrible time trying to get the Windows vista drivers that work on 7 to work with 8. Simply put, they don't as of now. Maybe later, AMD or Microsoft will validate those drivers for use with 8, until then, it's decent graphics but not great. I would find it as a value added upgrade though. It's nicer than 7 because of the graphics kernel in 8, it's more efficient meaning, window color can be changed and it doesn't look and stay in the drab default of pasty blue and chunky xp like UI elements.

Even still, if companies are upgrading to 7, I highly doubt ANYONE will want to return to xp afterwards. Not a lot of companies would want to risk another mitigation to a new OS just because it came out, too much time and resource is spent. And I doubt IT departments would be allowed to move EVERYTHING back to xp after 7.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS
    CPU
    AMD FX 8320
    Motherboard
    Crosshair V Formula-Z
    Memory
    16 gig DDR3
    Graphics Card(s)
    ASUS R9 270
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900
    Hard Drives
    1 TB Seagate Barracuda (starting to hate Seagate)
    x2 3 TB Toshibas
    Windows 8.1 is installed on a SanDisk Ultra Plus 256 GB
    PSU
    OCZ 500 watt
    Case
    A current work in progres as I'll be building the physical case myself. It shall be fantastic.
    Cooling
    Arctic Cooler with 3 heatpipes
    Keyboard
    Logitech K750 wireless solar powered keyboard
    Mouse
    Microsoft Touch Mouse
    Browser
    Internet Explorer 11
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender, but I might go back on KIS 2014
Average Joes

I guess that is possible.
I would have thought that XP machines would be closer to their "Use By" date though (i.e. on their "last legs").

And there, My Friend, is why so many people called it wrong. It costs less to keep replacing parts in a good, solid machine than to buy a new machine and pay for a new operating system.

Whilst I agree with your point, how many "average Joes" do that?
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 18.3 MATE (64 bit)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    n/a
    CPU
    AMD Phenom II x6 1055T, 2.8 GHz
    Motherboard
    ASRock 880GMH-LE/USB3
    Memory
    8GB DDR3 1333 G-Skill Ares F3-1333C9D-8GAO (4GB x 2)
    Graphics Card(s)
    ATI Radeon HD6450
    Sound Card
    Realtek?
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung S23B350
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Western Digital 1.5 TB (SATA), Western Digital 2 TB (SATA), Western Digital 3 TB (SATA)
    Case
    Tower
    Mouse
    Wired Optical
    Other Info
    Linux Mint 16 MATE (64 bit) replaced with Linux Mint 17 MATE (64 bit) - 2014-05-17
    Linux Mint 14 MATE (64 bit) replaced with Linux Mint 16 MATE (64 bit) - 2013-11-13
    Ubuntu 10.04 (64 bit) replaced with Linux Mint 14 MATE (64 bit) - 2013-01-14
    RAM & Graphics Card Upgraded - 2013-01-13
    Monitor Upgraded - 2012-04-20
    System Upgraded - 2011-05-21, 2010-07-14
    HDD Upgraded - 2010-08-11, 2011-08-24,
I suspect that the majority of legitimate XP installs are actually on business machines.
They'll just replace the hardware and software by purchasing new machines.

The overall majority of XP installs are probably pirated though.
They can upgrade their PCs and reinstall XP (if they don't have pirated versions of W7).
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 18.3 MATE (64 bit)
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    n/a
    CPU
    AMD Phenom II x6 1055T, 2.8 GHz
    Motherboard
    ASRock 880GMH-LE/USB3
    Memory
    8GB DDR3 1333 G-Skill Ares F3-1333C9D-8GAO (4GB x 2)
    Graphics Card(s)
    ATI Radeon HD6450
    Sound Card
    Realtek?
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Samsung S23B350
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Western Digital 1.5 TB (SATA), Western Digital 2 TB (SATA), Western Digital 3 TB (SATA)
    Case
    Tower
    Mouse
    Wired Optical
    Other Info
    Linux Mint 16 MATE (64 bit) replaced with Linux Mint 17 MATE (64 bit) - 2014-05-17
    Linux Mint 14 MATE (64 bit) replaced with Linux Mint 16 MATE (64 bit) - 2013-11-13
    Ubuntu 10.04 (64 bit) replaced with Linux Mint 14 MATE (64 bit) - 2013-01-14
    RAM & Graphics Card Upgraded - 2013-01-13
    Monitor Upgraded - 2012-04-20
    System Upgraded - 2011-05-21, 2010-07-14
    HDD Upgraded - 2010-08-11, 2011-08-24,
At the end of October, 2012, five days after Windows 8 Pro was released, Windows 7 remained the world's most popular operating system, having gained about .5% that month. Windows 8 Pro had about .4% total. That number isn't too bad. The free Preview Edition had about .25% for some time.

8's adoption rate is a lot slower than 7's so far. People wanted to get out of Vista, but they don't want to get out of 7. And since 8 is designed for touchscreens and has a high learning curve, people are even more willing to stay with 7.

I have been saying for a couple of years now: If you think Microsoft is having a hard time killing XP, wait until they have to kill Windows 7.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8
Yeah, but windows XP doesn't belong on core i7 4gb+ ram gaming systems. Though, sadly, people still gimpify said machines with XP because of their unwillingness to change. However, there's a lot of people who aren't going to give up 7 simply because 8 takes away too many known and loved features, and it doesn't bring any real hardware/software support to the table that grants incentive to upgrade.

Windows 7 had plenty of reasons to get it over XP, with it's rebuilt audio and graphics system, native 64-bit support for 4GB+ ram, dx10/11, native SSD trim support, usb 3.0 support, native SATA-from-install support, better and more efficient native support for multicore CPUs. List goes on and on. Also, the UI looked prettier (at least for me) and composited desktops have their advantages. Start Menu search being added was another huge one, nothing is as nice as being able to hit winkey+a bit of text+enter key and run whatever program you have installed. Windows 7 brought a lot to the table, while keeping things familiar and beautiful. Also runs like a charm. Also more secure than XP out of the box.

Windows 8 revamped everything people were familiar with, and a lot of people don't like change. They also took away Aero, which I don't like (though they kept the DWM technologies that composit the desktop). The security increase is nice, but it's not foolproof or even breathtaking. No new technologies are being exclusively supported by 8, except for maybe tablet gadgets. You're not going to be able to use more RAM, more processor cores, have better graphics drivers, or anything like that going from 7 to 8. It's just different, and maybe moderately improved (and even then, for the sake of handheld devices).

If people don't wanna jump to 7 from XP despite all its advantages, even to the point of not fully using their hardware because they want to use XP? They're not going to get 8, for sure. Not till XP stops working, period.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64-Bit, Ubuntu 13.04 64-Bit
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Custom Built
    CPU
    Intel Core i7 950 @ 3ghz
    Motherboard
    Asus Sabertooth X58
    Memory
    Crucial 6GB DDR3 1066mhz Triple Channel
    Graphics Card(s)
    1GB EVGA GTX 460 SE (Nvidia)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dual LG Monitors
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080, 1280x1024
    Hard Drives
    80GB Intel 320 Series SSD
    640GB WD Caviar Blue
    320GB WD MyBook (converted to Internal SATA)
    1TB Seagate Barracuda
    PSU
    Corsair 650TX 650w
    Case
    CoolerMaster HAF 922
    Keyboard
    Logitech G110
    Mouse
    Logitech G500
    Internet Speed
    20mbps Down, 2mbps Up
Windows XP SP3 and Office 2003

Support Ends April 8, 2014



[h=4]Why is Microsoft ending support for Window XP and Office 2003?[/h]In 2002 Microsoft introduced its Support Lifecycle policy based on customer feedback to have more transparency and predictability of support for Microsoft products. As per this policy, Microsoft Business and Developer products, including Windows and Office products, receive a minimum of 10 years of support (5 years Mainstream Support and 5 years Extended Support), at the supported service pack level.
Windows XP SP3 and Office 2003 will go out of support on April 8, 2014, if your organization has not started the migration to a modern PC, you are late. Based on historical customer deployment data, the average enterprise deployment can take 18 to 32 months from business case through full deployment. To ensure you remain on supported versions of Windows and Office, you should begin your planning and application testing immediately to ensure you deploy before end of support.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8 Pro
    CPU
    AMD FX-8150
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte GA-990FX
    Memory
    8 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce 980
Thank you for the two well thought-out posts. There are people who run XP on advanced computers that could handle 7 or 8. Should they upgrade?

7 & 8 will run those machines better than XP because they're designed for rigs like that, and I do expect some of those people to upgrade to 8. But older machines, designed from the ground up for XP, are better off staying that way. Unless you are a high-tech gamer, XP will do everything you need.

But any machine that runs 7 will run 8 at least as well, and I expect a lot of them to upgrade to 8.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8
Thank you for the two well thought-out posts. There are people who run XP on advanced computers that could handle 7 or 8. Should they upgrade?

7 & 8 will run those machines better than XP because they're designed for rigs like that, and I do expect some of those people to upgrade to 8. But older machines, designed from the ground up for XP, are better off staying that way. Unless you are a high-tech gamer, XP will do everything you need.

But any machine that runs 7 will run 8 at least as well, and I expect a lot of them to upgrade to 8.

To be honest, they shouldn't be running XP on any computer past like 2007 or 2008 unless it's a netbook. XP is not advanced enough to properly use the multicore/64-bit capabilities on CPUs designed since then. Also most machines sold since Vista came out have a minimum of 4GB of RAM, which means the 32-bit Windows XP can only use 2.5~3.2gb of that RAM. Big waste. They should upgrade... whether it's to 7 or 8 would be up to their needs, but definitely upgrade past XP if their machine is that capable!

Alas, though, most people who run XP on modern rigs like that are people who are extremely stubborn and won't move on from their very aged OS and don't want to learn anything new, even Windows 7. So like I said before, convincing them to go to 8 would be a crapshoot if they won't even accept the idea of upgrading to 7.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64-Bit, Ubuntu 13.04 64-Bit
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Custom Built
    CPU
    Intel Core i7 950 @ 3ghz
    Motherboard
    Asus Sabertooth X58
    Memory
    Crucial 6GB DDR3 1066mhz Triple Channel
    Graphics Card(s)
    1GB EVGA GTX 460 SE (Nvidia)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dual LG Monitors
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080, 1280x1024
    Hard Drives
    80GB Intel 320 Series SSD
    640GB WD Caviar Blue
    320GB WD MyBook (converted to Internal SATA)
    1TB Seagate Barracuda
    PSU
    Corsair 650TX 650w
    Case
    CoolerMaster HAF 922
    Keyboard
    Logitech G110
    Mouse
    Logitech G500
    Internet Speed
    20mbps Down, 2mbps Up
Upgrading to 8 is a personal preference. Anyone running XP should do a upgrade to 7 or 8. XP support will stop soon. about 18 months.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8 Pro
    CPU
    AMD FX-8150
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte GA-990FX
    Memory
    8 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce 980
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