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My slightly-above average users first time Windows 8 experience

  1. #31


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    I see MS is still intent on using the "talking point" claiming that those who don't like Metro are

    ....."against change".

    No, most here, even the skilled programmers and power users, are usually very accepting of "change" when that change improves things by making something work better, more efficiently, and results in greater productivity, but the thing is that Windows 8
    DOESN'T achieve any of those qualities.

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  2. #32


    What interests me most is the price. I've been using Win7 x64 for nearly 2 years at my office, and I LOVE it! But my home machine is still WinXP, because that's what I bought when I first built the machine in 2006, and have never really had the money to upgrade (always other stuff). I don't want to go with Win7 x86. Whenever I upgrade I want to switch to 64-bit with at least 8 GB RAM, which of course means new processor, new mobo, new memory, and new operating system, at the very least. Haven't had money for that in quite awhile. But for $40 I would upgrade to Win8. Maybe. Jury is still out on that.
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  3. #33


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    The biggest thing I don't like about Windows 8 is all the fragmentation. If you are doing something within the metro interface and you have to open a link, it opens the metro version of Internet explorer. However, if you are on the desktop, it will just open to your default browser. I wish it would just use one or the other, not both. That's just an example of fragmentation between the two UI's. That being said, I love windows 8. I have been using it as my primary OS for about 1.5 months now. I use the new start menu to pin my desktop programs to it, so I can use metro as a launcher of sorts. But one more complaint; I hate the randomness of metro. The apps list is a mess of programs here and there, tiles look sloppy when they are grouped together because some fall into another row and then you have tiles awkwardly sitting there. It's messy, and I think it needs some cleaning up, but I do like Windows 8. However, its not for large companies at all. There's just no reason to upgrade.

    *Phew* [end rant]
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  4. #34


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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    If one doesn't like 8 or if it doesn't fit one's needs, I think one should stick with 7 or prior. 7 for sure will be around for quite awhile. I think M$ knows this for Enterprise. I believe 8 and the Surface are targeting iPad. The pad will eventually be the most popular device on the planet for personal use, including replacing the smart phone via Bluetooth. Whether it will cater to Enterprise some day will remain to be seen.
    Hi there
    I don't think so somehow.

    The latest generation of smartphones make an ipad look like an ant swimming in a current of syrup or treacle..

    A smartphone does all the stuff I could conceivably want to do on a tablet and a really thin "Utrabook" does the rest.

    Cheers
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  5. #35


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I've yet to actually set Windows 8 in front of someone and let them have at it, but then again, I don't take small children and put them in the driver's seat of a car and tell them to have at it...
    Neither did I. I took somebody who has been using a computer/driving a car for many, many years. They found Windows 8 unintutive and hard to figure out how to do things. It's actually my kids, with less experience, who find it easier.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Speaking of such, yesterday, I introduced the Windows 8 to a friend of mine and her family. It was by far the most interesting introduction I've done as the family ranged in different ages and abilities. My friend's mom was literally taken aback and borderline overwhelmed, but a good overwhelmed.
    I seriously don't understand who these people are that you keep showing Windows to. Do you just walk around with a laptop going from house to house to house proclaiming the virtues of Windows 8. Everybody you show Windows 8 too, is blown away according to you. Every computer user that I have shown it to, has said, 'Meh, maybe I could get used to it"...but blown away was not a phrase I would have used to describe any of their reactions.
    Actually, I did for a while ran a Windows 8 To Go drive at my workplace and showed people it. I've been installing Windows 8 on a few laptops for some people to test and to show, and overall it's been resoundingly a hit. It's overwhelming for a few, but a WHOA for everyone else. The last time I did that over at my friend's house was pretty awesome as they were very taken aback by it.
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  6. #36


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Actually, I did for a while ran a Windows 8 To Go drive at my workplace and showed people it. I've been installing Windows 8 on a few laptops for some people to test and to show, and overall it's been resoundingly a hit. It's overwhelming for a few, but a WHOA for everyone else. The last time I did that over at my friend's house was pretty awesome as they were very taken aback by it.
    And the overwhelming response that I have gotten when showing off Windows 8 has been resoundingly bad. More or less the "what they hell were they thinking", "they expect us to actually use this", " I'm going to just stick to what I have, thank you very much".

    I almost wonder what type of people we each work with and are friends with. I work in a software development company, most of the individuals are heavy computer users, technically sufficient, etc. My friends are IT people and are technically sophisticated. Many of them are gamers. The people who have been the most shocked my Windows 8 are the people in the customer support area who are going to have to support our products in this environment. They have big concerns.
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  7. #37


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    Quote Originally Posted by legacy7955 View Post
    No, most here, even the skilled programmers and power users, are usually very accepting of "change" when that change improves things by making something work better, more efficiently, and results in greater productivity, but the thing is that Windows 8 DOESN'T achieve any of those qualities.
    While that may be true about people here, I would argue it may also not be. On the whole, I hate to say it, the IT forum crowd really isn't the kind of crowd that embraces "different" in an established space - we're the first to bash anything different replacing something comfortable (and good) until someone shows us otherwise (and they're idiots, or stupid, or don't get it, etc - regardless of how good or bad the argument they pose may be), and we will continue to rail against it until we're either forced to change, or we move on to something totally different (aka people who will go to the Mac platform instead of Win8, even though THAT is arguably a bigger change, and won't notice the irony at all).

    And, as a developer, I'd say we are the LEAST likely to conform to change, and of this crowd, moreso for Windows app developers than most others. There are even a decent percentage, some whom I know and work with personally, that still design software today like it's the late 90s, with no mind for security or performance, using old, deprecated APIs and functionality, etc. The bulk of software on Windows today that runs with LUA in mind only does so because of the need for it to work on Windows 7 - had Vista and UAC not happened, we'd still have the vast majority of Windows software out there that runs expecting admin rights, has lax security, etc.

    Just my 2 cents from my own experience over the last 20+ years.
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  8. #38


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Actually, I did for a while ran a Windows 8 To Go drive at my workplace and showed people it. I've been installing Windows 8 on a few laptops for some people to test and to show, and overall it's been resoundingly a hit. It's overwhelming for a few, but a WHOA for everyone else. The last time I did that over at my friend's house was pretty awesome as they were very taken aback by it.
    And the overwhelming response that I have gotten when showing off Windows 8 has been resoundingly bad. More or less the "what they hell were they thinking", "they expect us to actually use this", " I'm going to just stick to what I have, thank you very much".

    I almost wonder what type of people we each work with and are friends with. I work in a software development company, most of the individuals are heavy computer users, technically sufficient, etc. My friends are IT people and are technically sophisticated. Many of them are gamers. The people who have been the most shocked my Windows 8 are the people in the customer support area who are going to have to support our products in this environment. They have big concerns.
    I've been showing Windows 8 to people one would consider the average tech consumer crowd that many of us argue about on this forum. Ages range from 7 to 46 years of age. Some are teachers, a masseuse, a few hardcore PC gamers, digital photographers/editors, college students, high school students, several date entry workers at the local hospital, a couple of farmers, and a couple of IT support people. Overall, the reception has been quite warm. A gamer friend of mine initially didn't care for it, but ever since I let him use my Windows 8 To Go drive for 20 minutes just using IE 10 metro, Start Screen and Desktop, he actually likes it. He's going in C++ programming this fall I believe. Also, his start menu in Windows 7 on his gaming laptop, yes, laptop is a hideous mess that I shan't not even want to touch. A few so far need to have their hands held as Windows 8 is a lot of change, but now are using it without a big issue. The latest is closing out of the apps, which is obvious.

    I've even demonstrated Office 2013 and SkyDrive to a few people I know who are hardcore Office users, and wow, they love it! I've also shown several people the new Microsoft Surface tablet, all are very interested in buying one.

    I think the disparity among the different user crowds is that I find, the consumer crowd is much more into Windows 8 than the programmer or the self-built desktop user that must have their start menu and gadgets and 80 open windows. It's not that the consumer crowd doesn't use their PCs solely for facebook and Netflix, they do but they do more things than that.
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  9. #39


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Overall, the reception has been quite warm.
    Is it quite warm, or are they blown away? You seem to be saying 2 different things.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    A gamer friend of mine initially didn't care for it, but ever since I let him use my Windows 8 To Go drive for 20 minutes just using IE 10 metro, Start Screen and Desktop, he actually likes it.
    Had he yet stumbled upon the fact that he cannot have "favorites" in the traditional sense of the word and instead has to litter the start screen with lovely tiles for each website he might bookmark? Did he try to visit a flash site only to discover that the site itself is not on the Microsoft approved list? I'm seriously unable to find anybody actually impressed with the IE version of Metro. It's horrible.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Also, his start menu in Windows 7 on his gaming laptop, yes, laptop is a hideous mess that I shan't not even want to touch.
    So, explain how it's going to get better on Windows 8 when everything is arranged at the same level. You honestly believe that if it's a mess with a hierarchical folder system like he has now that it's going to improve when everything is at the same level. You think he will take the time to click on each and every damn tile and unpin it. Seriously man, think about it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    A few so far need to have their hands held as Windows 8 is a lot of change, but now are using it without a big issue. The latest is closing out of the apps, which is obvious.
    You think "closing" a Metro version of an app is obvious? I sure don't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I've even demonstrated Office 2013 and SkyDrive to a few people I know who are hardcore Office users, and wow, they love it!
    They love a limited web based version of application, and dig using the cloud to store their files? Hmmm....they probably aren't members of this forum.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I've also shown several people the new Microsoft Surface tablet, all are very interested in buying one.
    You've actually got a Surface tablet to demonstrate to them? If you haven't already decided on a career in sales, I might suggest one. You seem to be able to sell "hopes and dreams" my friend.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I think the disparity among the different user crowds is that I find, the consumer crowd is much more into Windows 8 than the programmer or the self-built desktop user that must have their start menu and gadgets and 80 open windows. It's not that the consumer crowd doesn't use their PCs solely for facebook and Netflix, they do but they do more things than that.
    Yeah, they actually use their computers rather than wetting their pants when they see a new color scheme and go all ga-ga because something looks flashy, scrolls smoothly, and is new and shiny. These are the same people who believe what most marketing tells them. They probably also aspire to someday be able to afford a Bose home theater system as they believe they are the cats pajamas.


    I seriously love chatting with you here, as it seems like we are always discussing 2 totally different products with our reactions.
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  10. #40


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Overall, the reception has been quite warm.
    Is it quite warm, or are they blown away? You seem to be saying 2 different things.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    A gamer friend of mine initially didn't care for it, but ever since I let him use my Windows 8 To Go drive for 20 minutes just using IE 10 metro, Start Screen and Desktop, he actually likes it.
    Had he yet stumbled upon the fact that he cannot have "favorites" in the traditional sense of the word and instead has to litter the start screen with lovely tiles for each website he might bookmark? Did he try to visit a flash site only to discover that the site itself is not on the Microsoft approved list? I'm seriously unable to find anybody actually impressed with the IE version of Metro. It's horrible.

    So, explain how it's going to get better on Windows 8 when everything is arranged at the same level. You honestly believe that if it's a mess with a hierarchical folder system like he has now that it's going to improve when everything is at the same level. You think he will take the time to click on each and every damn tile and unpin it. Seriously man, think about it.


    You think "closing" a Metro version of an app is obvious? I sure don't.

    They love a limited web based version of application, and dig using the cloud to store their files? Hmmm....they probably aren't members of this forum.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I've also shown several people the new Microsoft Surface tablet, all are very interested in buying one.
    You've actually got a Surface tablet to demonstrate to them? If you haven't already decided on a career in sales, I might suggest one. You seem to be able to sell "hopes and dreams" my friend.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I think the disparity among the different user crowds is that I find, the consumer crowd is much more into Windows 8 than the programmer or the self-built desktop user that must have their start menu and gadgets and 80 open windows. It's not that the consumer crowd doesn't use their PCs solely for facebook and Netflix, they do but they do more things than that.
    Yeah, they actually use their computers rather than wetting their pants when they see a new color scheme and go all ga-ga because something looks flashy, scrolls smoothly, and is new and shiny. These are the same people who believe what most marketing tells them. They probably also aspire to someday be able to afford a Bose home theater system as they believe they are the cats pajamas.


    I seriously love chatting with you here, as it seems like we are always discussing 2 totally different products with our reactions.
    I should say warm and blown away as I've seen both blown away and warm receptions.

    I don't think it's a bad thing to have IE tiles on the Start Screen, where ever you feel like having them easily accessible is where ever you want it to be. No one says that you can't have IE tiles on the Start Screen and no one is saying that it's a bad thing. You seem to make it out as a bad thing.

    Now, as for the folders in the start menu, I see it this way. To clean up that start menu, you can either click, click, right click, click, click, click, right click, click, click, click, right click, click, scroll, click, click, right click, click, click, click, right click, click, click, scroll, click, right click, click, click, click, right click, click, click, click, right click, click, click, click, right click, click, click, click, right click, click,click, click, right click, click,click, click, right click, click, click, scroll, click, right click, click, click, click, right click, click, click, click, right click, click, click, click, right click, click, click, click, scroll, right click, click, and repeat versus; click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, right click and click. Every time you install a new game or program, you're going to end up using the program tile versus the help files or the random programs you won't really use. And when you install said programs and see a group of tiles, you can easily arrange what you need and unpin what you don't. The MAIN difference here is that YOU SEE THE PROGRAM'S START ENTRIES. Why do you suppose pretty much every start menu on a large majority of user's PCs are nothing but folders and folders with the default All Programs entries? Not many look at it or bother to clean it up as they don't see it or have a notion to do so. If you see it, you will do something about it. That's why I think it's better. It's makes the user more aware of what's on their PC and do something about it. If they don't like to have all those tiles, they can remove them.

    And no, it's not obvious to close the apps. But when it becomes obvious after told or shown or stumbled upon, that problem is solved. In fact, I've been told that's one of the coolest things Windows 8 does and I've seen peoples' reactions to me showing how to close an app, they seemed delighted for some odd reason. And no, I bet after a while people will get a hang of it. When Windows 7 came out, you didn't see a lot of people pinning items to the taskbar. Links were on the Desktop or the start menu. After a bit of time, taskbars had things pinned on them. People figure things out, and most aren't too stupid to explore something new, at least that's the theory.

    I don't know, but Office 2013 isn't a web based application. It's a 963 MB program suite that when connected to the internet, it wants to save files by default to the user's SkyDrive WHEN the user is signed into Office. If not connected or not signed in or chosen to opt out of that default behavior by tick marking ONE entry in Office Options, it doesn't. And yes, the consumer crowd seems more likely to use the Cloud as they don't see a bad side to it as they don't tend to be paranoid about everything. Some find it as a better alternative to physical media as I've been told a horror story involving tax forms and three failed forms of backup media every tax season for three years straight until a cloud option was introduced. Even still, on a tangent side note, I don't get the huge deal about the cloud. Many will gather just to say, "Oh the cloud? Oh it's terrible. I don't get privacy and I don't own anything anymore." Until Windows is cloud based like google chrome OS, and hard drives are gone and SSDs are gone and wireless networking is more omnipresent than air, that's a long ways off. If some are uncertain or paranoid of the cloud and having some other company looking at what you have and snooping through personal things, stop using email, or better yet, stop using gmail as google actively scans email text so they can personalize adverts at you.

    I don't have a Surface tablet unfortunately, but I do have a picture of it. And based off the picture, people are liking it, as some here are. And actually, I should say, back in my senior year of high school, I won third place at state in salesmanship speaking. Just sayin'....

    I personally wet my pants over how a new UI looks and feels, are you suggesting something here? I don't know, to me it seems the average consumer crowd just goes with the flow. When someone enters a best buy and they see the ipad on it's over hyped display, and see some knockoff android tablets, and then they go over to the PC section and see the Start Screen, what's going to attract their attention the most considering this hypothetical person isn't an isheep, a fandroid, or a Microsoft fanboy? I say the Start Screen and the new tablet PCs and the new Windows 8 PCs in general. Why? It's something radically new and different. They probably won't be tripping out over the lack of gadgets most likely, or freaking out about no start menu, or peeing themselves about how the Cloud and Windows 8 destroyed the Desktop. They will, after some simple introduction, be more intrigued by the fact you can have apps on a PC like on your phone, that it's new, it looks and acts different, but still has the ability to act like your PC you have at home, but different and better.

    This popped into my mind, at the local best buy near me, there was a touchscreen AIO PC that I don't know who, but probably the idiot geek squad as they used a touchscreen with a bloody bezel and not the Lenevo that was PERFECT for Windows 8, but I played with it and installed a bunch of apps on it and when I came back from the car audio section, a few people were looking at it and someone was playing with the Xbox Live app.

    But having said all this, I do also enjoy the conversing about Windows 8 as it does seem like a totally different product is being talked about.
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