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My slightly-above average users first time Windows 8 experience

  1. #21


    Man I can't stand all those extra tool bars and crap that various things load. I NEVER, EVER install that stuff. I always have to remember to untick the stupid Ask toolbar on every single Java update. Annoying!

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  2. #22


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    License agreements. Best. Thing. Ever. I'm honestly quite surprised a developer hasn't put something in a license agreement that says "By clicking I agree, you agree to donate some non-essential bodily organs at will at any time."

    But I've never really seen people not read dialog boxes, sure they do ignore the setup ones and I have to uninstall the 8 toolbars and crapware, as for dialog boxes that popup out of nowhere; I would imagine people read those as they may be very serious.
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  3. #23


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    hi there
    on the RTM ( at least our "Leaked" version) you do get a little tutorial on the navigation system - before the system boots for the final time after install -the tutorial is quite passable BTW.

    I decided to test myself --absolutely keeping quite - no complaints - ranting etc etc to see how long it would take me to install the base system, MS office and two or 3 small applications only - and have the Metro sorted out in an order rather like Davehc's post.

    I started with a clean empty VM so nothing pre-installed on the system.

    No real complicated application -- just MS office which was the largest.

    It still took me about 2 hours to get the system into fairly "User Proof mode". Install itself even on a VM was a breeze and quick -- around 15 mins plus another 6 for the office suite (Office 2010 x-64 Pro). Organising all the other stuff is what took the time.

    There is eventually a certain logic if you do it properly -- but the average person getting the computer home from the shop and having to do all this might run into a problem or two.

    I would expect Help Desks to get OVERWHELMED with queries. Incidentally some people won't find it too horrible -- but some will always hate it -seems the world is split roughly 50% 50% on this.

    Ms has obviously taken a HUGE gamble with this --but I suppose the same sort of problems occurred when XP was introduced .

    We'll just have to wait and see -- Nearly everybody because of mobile phone use understands the layout of these tiles and how to click or tap to start an application -- but whether they will be able to arrange them conveniently on their own - without quite a bit of I.T support so they can use the system with decent productivity is definitely IMO questionable.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  4. #24


    There is eventually a certain logic if you do it properly -- but the average person getting the computer home from the shop and having to do all this might run into a problem or two.

    I would expect Help Desks to get OVERWHELMED with queries. Incidentally some people won't find it too horrible -- but some will always hate it -seems the world is split roughly 50% 50% on this.

    Ms has obviously taken a HUGE gamble with this --but I suppose the same sort of problems occurred when XP was introduced.
    I'm starting to see that M$ may be taking a big gamble in this drastic change of an OS. After being a member here for six or so weeks and reading what you Pros have to say about 8, the way people will probably accept it, and the way users may or may not learn it easily, I'm beginning to see that.

    The only experience I have with other users are my 6 children and a friend who works IT and of which I don't see much of lately. One son, the gear head, is not interested in a computers except his for his smart phone. The other 5 have smart phones and computers and all had classes in grade and high schools on computing. They may have a tougher time to learn 8, but I think they will fair well, as most of the younger generation.

    For the most part, though, and what pparks1 and you have posted above, it may be the older ones that'll have a difficult time. They're a little more resistant to change.

    We're drawing nigh to final release. We'll know more when everyone sends Santa their Christmas list how M$ will fair. We should pretty much know by years end, if not sooner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post

    For the most part, though, and what pparks1 and you have posted above, it may be the older ones that'll have a difficult time. They're a little more resistant to change.
    It's not change in and of itself, HG. What if Brink forced everyone here to post in Latin? Learning Latin isn't hard if you study - lots of kids study Latin in school. The older folks might find it difficult but they'll get the hang of it. Non progredi est regredi! Do you eat a steak with a plastic spoon? Do you play baseball with a football? Can you inject raspberry syrup into someone who needs a blood transfusion?

    You see why this "change" argument doesn't necessarily work? Yet people use it all the time against anti-8 people without giving anything thought to what the change is and why people don't like it.

    I've learned 8 and will not use it. It's got nothing to do with change in general and everything to do with change, specifically. I just think it's a stupid way to organize things. Not the desktop part, the Metro part. Sorry, we can't use "Metro" any more - Windows 8 UI. But I don't hate all of Windows 8 just the Metro part. I know but it's Windows 8 UI.

    MS has screwed up even talking about it. The faster Ballmer is shown the door, the sooner the company will improve - unless they bring in another moron who ruins 2 out of every 3 OSs he sends out the door.
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  6. #26


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Hi there
    finally wrapping up after a long day of several installs etc etc.

    Don't send Ballmer out of the door --that way he walks with a HUGE amount of money and almost an obscene telephone number size of money as his pension pot. - No make him work as the Doorman !!! for minimum wages -- what is it in the USA --around 8 USD an hour or so.


    Cheers
    jimbo
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  7. #27


    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    For the most part, though, and what pparks1 and you have posted above, it may be the older ones that'll have a difficult time. They're a little more resistant to change.
    I don't necessarily see it as "resistance to change" per se, but I think the way that Jimbo and I use a computer is quite different from a lot of the newer generation. Heck, I prefer systems admin tasks via the command line in linux and powershell under Windows for most things. Much easier to document and to script repetitive tasks.

    When on Windows XP, I was fairly happy, but did want a change. I wasn't happy with Vista and I skipped it. I was blown away with Windows 7 and jumped right onboard on day 1. However, I haven't been on Windows 7 for all that long, and I don't seem to have many issues that really need to be fixed. Things work pretty ideal for me at the present time.

    Perhaps if the price is "right" on a surface pro tablet running Windows 8, I will go out and buy one and really appreciate it.


    And as far as changed in concerned, you would think that I would be 100% anti cloud based computer. But surprisingly there I am not. I'm not all in, and not comfortable or able to put everything in the cloud, but I do see some benefits that come from it. There are probably many who love Metro, Windows 8 and lots of other changes, that despise the "cloud". I know Jimbo calls it "Cloud Cuukoo land".
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  8. #28


    You see why this "change" argument doesn't necessarily work? Yet people use it all the time against anti-8 people without giving anything thought to what the change is and why people don't like it.
    I don't necessarily see it as "resistance to change" per se, but I think the way that Jimbo and I use a computer is quite different from a lot of the newer generation.
    Sorry, gentlemen, I looked over my last post. I didn't mean to point at any of you Pros or any that don't really care for 8 that much specifically. I know you know your stuff. I meant older people/users that aren't that computer savvy. Perhaps office personnel or many that work with a computer for work. e.a. -> the non-IT that know how to use a computer, but don't know how to set one up. It could even be a novice user.

    I'd say 3 out of my 5 children are about a 6 on a 10 scale. They could figure out how to personalize there machine, e.a. -> Learn to arrange the Metro screen. I know one of them definitely doesn't, but can enter data in office programs. Not sure about the sixteen-year-old, although she set up her Droid the way she likes. I consider myself a 7 possibly an 8 on the scale. I know the basics of hardware, but not all that great at software. I could build a rig from someone's design, load an OS, other programs, get it on a network, and personalize it. But when it comes to reading what some of you Pros write on software, most often I get lost.
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  9. #29


    Adelaide
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    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)


    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Travis View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post

    For the most part, though, and what pparks1 and you have posted above, it may be the older ones that'll have a difficult time. They're a little more resistant to change.
    It's not change in and of itself, HG. What if Brink forced everyone here to post in Latin? Learning Latin isn't hard if you study - lots of kids study Latin in school. The older folks might find it difficult but they'll get the hang of it. Non progredi est regredi! Do you eat a steak with a plastic spoon? Do you play baseball with a football? Can you inject raspberry syrup into someone who needs a blood transfusion?

    You see why this "change" argument doesn't necessarily work? Yet people use it all the time against anti-8 people without giving anything thought to what the change is and why people don't like it.
    It's the only argument they have.
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  10. #30


    If one doesn't like 8 or if it doesn't fit one's needs, I think one should stick with 7 or prior. 7 for sure will be around for quite awhile. I think M$ knows this for Enterprise. I believe 8 and the Surface are targeting iPad. The pad will eventually be the most popular device on the planet for personal use, including replacing the smart phone via Bluetooth. Whether it will cater to Enterprise some day will remain to be seen.
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