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Even most of those who love it, have to use 3rd party apps to love it!

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    Even most of those who love it, have to use 3rd party apps to love it!


    I keep coming back into this forum from time to time, checking to see what is new with this coming OS. Love it or hate it, this is a huge transition for Microsoft and I for one am quite curious to see how this all plays out after launch.

    What I keep noticing as I peruse these forums is that most in here fall into 1 of basically two categories. There are those who cannot stand the new interface (metro, lack of start button, start menu) and who are very frustrated with the changes after trying it out. This group I suspect is the larger of the two... Then there are those who love Windows 8 (they find it to be snappier, use less ram, etc). Most folks in this latter category have either managed to embrace the new UI and metro, or more often it seems, they have managed to use some 3rd party program to get Windows 8 to behave like good ol' Windows used to.

    So what you see around here, are thread after thread where we have people posting their frustrations with the OS, and then we have people replying to them telling them that all they have to do is install this 3rd party app and everything will be peachy, it will behave just like 7 did.

    To me this is no solution to the core problem, which is that Microsoft has once again taken away the power of choice from the end user. We don't get to choose. We are not smart enough it seems to know what we should like. I think they are in for a rude awakening. Can they not see that there is something completely wrong with having to install a 3rd party app in order to fix the core software on a computer day 1 upon purchase. Most average computer users will be challenged enough just using this new OS (as that video that went viral of the Dad on youtube clearly shows), let alone figuring out that there is an app out there that they might install to make their computer behave like they are used to it behaving.

    Just another 2 cents dropped into the lonely pond of comments that Microsoft is choosing to ignore. That pile of sense is getting huge..

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    There is something not quite striking the right note in MS Product Management.

    I don't know what it is. Either they have the wrong people as Product Managers, or someone keeps overriding them.

    They are trying something very big and risky here.

    I don't get why they are breaking the rules.
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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    There is a thing called, transitions....

    It's about something new. That I think is the HUGEST issue people will have with 8. It's just too new and doesn't act like the old.

    If one gave the option to have that start menu and button there, do you honestly think YOU or many other people would use the new? Probably not. It might be due to beliefs that the old is better, it might be that people are more familiar with the old. It would defeat the WHOLE purpose of the new in Windows 8. Why even bother, one might ask? That's evolution of technology, it can, it has to, and will change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post

    They are trying something very big and risky here.

    I don't get why they are breaking the rules.
    I have to say it's because of the Windows Phone team with WP 7.
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    I keep finding new ways of using Win8, just like I did with Win95!

    Tully
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    If one gave the option to have that start menu and button there, do you honestly think YOU or many other people would use the new?
    There are several answers to that.

    If people do not use the "new" it is because they do not want the "new" , they do not like the "new", the "new" is bad.

    In reality, I think they would use it. But they would use it voluntarily, willingly, and in their own way.

    Even those who need the main interface for most of their activities would dip into metro from time to time - to access an app. for example.

    The most important thing is - they chose to do it.

    That would be vastly better for MS.
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    Windows 7/8


    I know that I will be forced to use metro apps in the future. But I sure wish the entire Metro UI could be "detached" and placed in a window of the proper size on my desktop. On a 24 in monitor that size would be NO MORE than 1/4 of the screen size for virtually every metro app I've seen so far.

    Then you could full screen it like a normal app, shrink to the task bar, resize and place on secondary monitor with your live tiles running.

    If it did all that I'd be ALL OVER metro! There would be nothing whatsoever wrong with it on the desktop (as far as the UI goes).

    If I was a Lead Architect at Microsoft I would have fought for that until the day they fired me for not towing the line :/

    If someone could come up with a way of "subclassing" the start screen and everything launched from it and contain it in a window, it would be ghodly. Heh maybe run WIndows 8 in a VM on the desktop for windows 8?!? That might work...
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    Will be interesting to see what the rtm brings.

    @Cokie, think about this one.

    Whatever else you think of Apple:

    When Apple release a product - they always get it right ( well, almost always). It sells enormously and dominates it's target segment.

    When MS release a product - they sometimes get it sort of right - often they get it wrong - sometimes badly wrong.

    Why?
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    Windows 8 RTM (Retinas taking damage...)


    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Will be interesting to see what the rtm brings. @Cokie, think about this one. Whatever else you think of Apple: When Apple release a product - they always get it right ( well, almost always). It sells enormously and dominates it's target segment. When MS release a product - they sometimes get it sort of right - often they get it wrong - sometimes badly wrong. Why?
    Well, it's probably because Apple never takes stupid risks. Each new version of OSX adds in new features that integrate well with the existing system. Each new iPhone is slightly better. I'm not fan of macs (I actually dislike using them when developing iOS apps), but I know that Apple's gradual smartphoneizing of OSX (fullscreen apps, notification shade, app store) is a LOT less stupid then MS & win8, because all of the new features work with everything else that was already there. Microsoft on the other hand, just decides to bolt on a smartphone UI that barely interacts or integrates with the older desktop.
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    Posts : 636
    Windows 7/8


    Quote Originally Posted by phailyoor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Will be interesting to see what the rtm brings. @Cokie, think about this one. Whatever else you think of Apple: When Apple release a product - they always get it right ( well, almost always). It sells enormously and dominates it's target segment. When MS release a product - they sometimes get it sort of right - often they get it wrong - sometimes badly wrong. Why?
    Well, it's probably because Apple never takes stupid risks. Each new version of OSX adds in new features that integrate well with the existing system. Each new iPhone is slightly better. I'm not fan of macs (I actually dislike using them when developing iOS apps), but I know that Apple's gradual smartphoneizing of OSX (fullscreen apps, notification shade, app store) is a LOT less stupid then MS & win8, because all of the new features work with everything else that was already there. Microsoft on the other hand, just decides to bolt on a smartphone UI that barely interacts or integrates with the older desktop.
    Exactly, if the Metro UI elemetns had blended into the desktop it would have been fine, great even. Still a bit controversial about the app store etc but the UI itself would have been zero problem on the desktop :/ Then /maybe/ sell a metro only version (like the RT version) for like $20 you can put on a small "desktop" computer that would see nothing but "small" scope use.
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