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The worst thing since Microsoft Bob: What is MS thinking?

  1. #11


    Quote Originally Posted by xpclient View Post
    As one who's part of the Classic Shell project and great Windows enthusiast and advanced needs from the OS, I would recommend Windows 7 over Windows 8. Just my opinion though.

    The desktop experience in Windows 8 is harmed in far more ways than just removing Start Menu. See here: Features and configuration options removed in Windows 8 Consumer Preview Although the average user may not be affected by these. I get bothered and annoyed very very very much because I am an enthusiast and advanced user and I liked these Windows 7 features very much. And I am against dumbing down of the OS. We need a professional OS, in that sense, Windows 8 "Pro" is a joke compared to Windows 7 Ultimate or XP/2000 Professional.
    This is exactly why Microsoft should really consider splitting its business-oriented and consumer-oriented product line again like it was back in the 9x/NT days. Have a fully functional, fully configurable OS for business and power users and a dumbed-down one for consumers. The current model isn't working, which is one reason so many businesses are clinging to XP and will only upgrade to 7 once support ends for XP. In addition, I think Windows 7 should remain available OEM and retail through the life cycle of Windows 8 so that users at least have an option.

    I for one hope there is such a public outcry about Windows 8 that Microsoft actually listens and releases an excellent Windows 9. Word is even Windows Server 2013 will be based off Metro. What corporation in their right mind is going to want their server to behave like a smartphone?

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  2. #12


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    I'm not trying to cause any form of argument here and am sorry if I do end up doing so.
    Windows 8 will be different at release, not betteror worse. It has really kicked off maybe millions of discussions and arguments and flaming problems on forums by adding Metro into it. Metro has been annoying for people who think "If I can't stand two seconds of it, it will officially be the end of the world!!!!!!!!" where actually they didn't try to get used to it. I am a laptop user who really hated Metro to start with because Metro is bad with an overheating touchpad next to my keyboard but now I like it and use it a lot. I have officially stopped using Hotmail in a browser because of Metro and am actually waiting for Metro ports of everything else. Yes, throwing in the Charms bar to take over the Start Menu and the Start Screen to take over All Programs seems a bad idea to some, but to others like me it is good and useful, even if fiddly.
    Quote Originally Posted by beedubaya View Post
    Word is even Windows Server 2013 will be based off Metro. What corporation in their right mind is going to want their server to behave like a smartphone?
    Okay, now this is going just a bit far... and the answer to that is not existent.
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  3. #13


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    I think a lot will take the exact same stance as beedubaya.

    MS is behaving very strangely.

    Pretty much everybody agrees win8 metro is ok for a tablet, but not the right thing for desktop use. If MS included it as an option - then Win8 would have got a far better reception.

    That must be obvious to MS.

    Why, then are they behaving like this?

    The only explanation I can think of is they fear people will use the classic desktop and ignore Metro completely.

    They have decided to take a huge risk and try and force it.

    I don't know if they can get away with it.

    They will probably get a small bite of the tablet market ( and I think they might miss the biggest segment there, too ).

    That will be a bigger share of tablets than they had before - perhaps that is all they expecting.

    I think overall it will be a damp squib, the sales won't be great - it will be another Vista in that sense, and win9 will be where they can make corrections.

    Unless there are substantial changes in the rtm - we don't know yet.
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  4. #14


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    I agree with the OP 100%. Windows 8 is total bull. Metro is terrible. I hate it with a passion. Windows 8 is going to fail - hard.
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  5. #15


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    Quote Originally Posted by xpclient View Post
    As one who's part of the Classic Shell project and great Windows enthusiast and advanced needs from the OS, I would recommend Windows 7 over Windows 8. Just my opinion though.

    The desktop experience in Windows 8 is harmed in far more ways than just removing Start Menu. See here: Features and configuration options removed in Windows 8 Consumer Preview Although the average user may not be affected by these. I get bothered and annoyed very very very much because I am an enthusiast and advanced user and I liked these Windows 7 features very much. And I am against dumbing down of the OS. We need a professional OS, in that sense, Windows 8 "Pro" is a joke compared to Windows 7 Ultimate or XP/2000 Professional.



    With reference to your link which shows the features and configuration options removed from Windows 8, I am confident that these all would be added again in Windows 8 through third party software. We are going to see a lot of third party software after the release of Windows 8!
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  6. #16


    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post

    The only explanation I can think of is they fear people will use the classic desktop and ignore Metro completely.

    They have decided to take a huge risk and try and force it.

    I don't know if they can get away with it.
    Agreed. If Metro was so great and such an amazing step forward as Windows 8 defenders claim, then Microsoft could include it as an optional feature and wouldn't have to worry about people not using it. They could do just like they did in the Windows 95 days, when they included a fully functional Program Manager and File Manager, but the new Explorer interface was such a step forward that few people used the legacy interface.

    Another reason MS may be forcing Metro on all users is to force developers to write tablet-centric programs. Without a significant tablet OS marketshare, developers aren't going to jump on the MS tablet/phone bandwagon.


    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    They will probably get a small bite of the tablet market ( and I think they might be another, separate error there, too ).
    Yes, this is a big issue and a big gamble. Every time Microsoft tries this kind of stuff they are always a couple of years too late and it flops disastrously. Just take a look at the Zune and more recently Windows Phone 7.
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  8. #18


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there

    Lets go over issues with W8 since it seems to me that you might have some misconceptions about W8.

    1) Windows 8 Metro is as most agree absolutely not fit for purposes for all sorts of applications -- and for large screens especially with multiple monitors it is TOTALLY USELESSl -- but even M/s has relented -- the RTM version will allow you to go straight to the desktop.

    jimbo
    Sorry but where did you get that piece of infomation from, the only way to go straight to the desktop (with start menu etc) is via a couple of add on programs Start8, classic shell. can you point to the information or better still a link from Microsoft where they state that we will be able to boot straight to the desktop and not use Metro.

    Regards

    Aquatarkus
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  9. #19


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    Quote Originally Posted by beedubaya View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by xpclient View Post
    As one who's part of the Classic Shell project and great Windows enthusiast and advanced needs from the OS, I would recommend Windows 7 over Windows 8. Just my opinion though.

    The desktop experience in Windows 8 is harmed in far more ways than just removing Start Menu. See here: Features and configuration options removed in Windows 8 Consumer Preview Although the average user may not be affected by these. I get bothered and annoyed very very very much because I am an enthusiast and advanced user and I liked these Windows 7 features very much. And I am against dumbing down of the OS. We need a professional OS, in that sense, Windows 8 "Pro" is a joke compared to Windows 7 Ultimate or XP/2000 Professional.
    This is exactly why Microsoft should really consider splitting its business-oriented and consumer-oriented product line again like it was back in the 9x/NT days. Have a fully functional, fully configurable OS for business and power users and a dumbed-down one for consumers. The current model isn't working, which is one reason so many businesses are clinging to XP and will only upgrade to 7 once support ends for XP. In addition, I think Windows 7 should remain available OEM and retail through the life cycle of Windows 8 so that users at least have an option.

    I for one hope there is such a public outcry about Windows 8 that Microsoft actually listens and releases an excellent Windows 9. Word is even Windows Server 2013 will be based off Metro. What corporation in their right mind is going to want their server to behave like a smartphone?
    Actually it's not as bad as you think

    Windows 2012 Server doesn't need the desktop to be enabled and can even be installed without a GUI -- it will run from the command line (a lot of extra decent commands have been added to the Power Shell). Metro is only visible if you "Enable Desktop Experience" via the Server settings -- For a genuine productive Server the idea of it having just the command line is ABSOLUTELY the right way to do this. I'm actually surprised they even allowed the desktop experience to be enabled at all.!


    For the Windows RTM I'll check for where I read the info -- I think it was from the WZOR info - a usually reliable although Russian site for Windows information.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  10. #20


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
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    LOL .

    There is no need to feel like that Cokie.

    If win8 works for the things you use it for - and you like it - that is fine.

    It is probably not a good idea to assume that therefore it must be ok for what others use their o/s for.
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