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Why Debate 8?

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    Why Debate 8?


    With RTM release imminent, why are the discussons so passionately intensifying re the success/failure of Win8? Is each side trying to convert the other; or simply on an ego trip to win their point? Why not just let it rest now and wait see what the consumers have to say?

    There is an old Greek fable which may be pertinent. A group of the wise elders of the community had been heatedly debating for days on end how many teeth a donkey had. A stable hand, who happened to be passing by, heard the discussion and asked why they didn't just get a donkey and count the number of teeth?

    The elders had him taken outside and flogged for insubordination and lack of respect. Seems the elders simply liked arguing for the sake of arguing.

    Just a thought!

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    Any feedback now is not going to change the rtm build.

    That is not the point.

    A few people here are trying to explain what win8 is for. That is for the benefit of the potential consumers.



    There has also been much debate about the UI changes - that is a separate point.

    There are a few who love the Metro thing , and seem desperate to persuade everyone else to love it too.

    I haven't the slightest idea why they find it hard to handle that not everyone likes it.
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    I can understand the valid purpose of trying to show newcomers to Win8 how to use it.

    And obviously it's use by date is up in trying to influence any changes by MS in RTM.

    As to the impact of this forum on influencing potential buyers, it would be interesting to have stats on how many members of the general public actually read forums like this? My guess would be mostly geeks, and those involved in the industry.

    As to the fan boys trying to persuade others to like it, if true, they are either over enthusiastic because they love it; sales promoters; or rigid in their outlook.

    Rigid persons only feel comfortable about themselves if they striclty adhere to their own self-imposed beliefs and rules. And they project that attitude onto other persons. Consequently they find it intolerable that others who don't conform to their standards appear comfortable in their "misbeliefs"; and feel it is their life mission to set such non-conformers straight. They display the classic dictator attitude as opposed to the live and let live principle.
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    Why Debate 8?

    Because this forum named "Eight Forums" exists and I guess one of it's purposes is that.

    Each member is entitled to give his own personal opinion about windows 8. Forums are there for that purpose. This is no exception. Some like 8, some don't. Why do you like or dislike 8? I guess, not just because its called "Windows 8"? There must be some reason why one likes or dislikes, isn't it? The debate, therefore, automatically comes into play. No one is arguing here for the sake of arguing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arpan View Post
    Why Debate 8?

    Because this forum named "Eight Forums" exists and I guess one of it's purposes is that.

    Each member is entitled to give his own personal opinion about windows 8. Forums are there for that purpose. This is no exception. Some like 8, some don't. Why do you like or dislike 8? I guess, not just because its called "Windows 8"? There must be some reason why one likes or dislikes, isn't it? The debate, therefore, automatically comes into play. No one is arguing here for the sake of arguing.
    That's all true. But the point I'm making is that it's all been debated to death, and the deal's done, so why not now just wait for RTM to hit the streets? Then go from there.

    With all due respect, going through the threads, the same things for and against seem to just keep repeating with slight variations, in one form or another, ad infinitum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Arpan View Post
    Why Debate 8?

    Because this forum named "Eight Forums" exists and I guess one of it's purposes is that.

    Each member is entitled to give his own personal opinion about windows 8. Forums are there for that purpose. This is no exception. Some like 8, some don't. Why do you like or dislike 8? I guess, not just because its called "Windows 8"? There must be some reason why one likes or dislikes, isn't it? The debate, therefore, automatically comes into play. No one is arguing here for the sake of arguing.
    That's all true. But the point I'm making is that it's all been debated to death, and the deal's done, so why not now just wait for RTM to hit the streets? Then go from there.

    With all due respect, going through the threads, the same things for and against seem to just keep repeating with slight variations, in one form or another, ad infinitum.
    Yes, I agree that its better to keep quite now and wait for the final W8.

    Same things are bound to get repeated with slight variations, since no one reads each and every thread fully and remember what was posted where. Everyone tries to make his point with reference to a particular post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post

    There are a few who love the Metro thing , and seem desperate to persuade everyone else to love it too.

    I haven't the slightest idea why they find it hard to handle that not everyone likes it.
    I agree but:

    There are a few who HATE the Metro thing , and seem desperate to persuade everyone else to HATE it too.

    I haven't the slightest idea why they find it hard to handle that not everyone HATES it.
    I guess it is human nature to want to convince everyone to your way of thinking. There have been some good discussions on here, then the arguments start and I just ignore those thread after that. We will be getting a look at the RTM shortly and see how it goes.

    Jim
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arpan View Post
    Same things are bound to get repeated with slight variations, since no one reads each and every thread fully and remember what was posted where. Everyone tries to make his point with reference to a particular post.
    That's a fair point, but most of the questions related to the actual OS are pretty well covered in the excellent tutorials by Brink. Maybe FAQs could be added?

    My reference is more about the endless to and fro arguments re whether Win8 will succeed or fail. They are speculative in nature, and until the RTM is for sale, just blowing smoke.

    Without wishing to disparage any one individual, it is noticeable that half a dozen or so of the same members' names keep re-appearing regulary in different threads, but with the same theme.
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    Interesting point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post

    As to the impact of this forum on influencing potential buyers, it would be interesting to have stats on how many members of the general public actually read forums like this? My guess would be mostly geeks, and those involved in the industry.
    Hard to quantify, but more important than you might think.

    We will be telling our friends and family about it. Workmates, too. In my case, that extends to hundreds of people.

    Bloggers pick up on what the enthusiasts are saying, some of them also write for the pc mags. Those who write for the pc mags ( and are not bloggers) will also be watching.

    Some of them are the very journalists who the national papers will turn to for their articles on computer related stories.


    PC mag journalists are not daft. They know the industry ( and their own mag income, and consequently their own jobs) depend on brisk sales.

    Because of that, they will try to present it in the best light - but they will be mindful of the criticisms.



    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    As to the fan boys trying to persuade others to like it, if true, they are either over enthusiastic because they love it; sales promoters; or rigid in their outlook.

    Rigid persons only feel comfortable about themselves if they striclty adhere to their own self-imposed beliefs and rules. And they project that attitude onto other persons. Consequently they find it intolerable that others who don't conform to their standards appear comfortable in their "misbeliefs"; and feel it is their life mission to set such non-conformers straight. They display the classic dictator attitude as opposed to the live and let live principle.

    Quite sad, really
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    I agree. Debating Windows 8 is just futile as it has yet to be in the hands of the consumer.
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