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  1. #11


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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Interesting point.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post

    As to the impact of this forum on influencing potential buyers, it would be interesting to have stats on how many members of the general public actually read forums like this? My guess would be mostly geeks, and those involved in the industry.
    Hard to quantify, but more important than you might think.

    We will be telling our friends and family about it. Workmates, too. In my case, that extends to hundreds of people.

    Bloggers pick up on what the enthusiasts are saying, some of them also write for the pc mags. Those who write for the pc mags ( and are not bloggers) will also be watching.

    Some of them are the very journalists who the national papers will turn to for their articles on computer related stories.

    PC mag journalists are not daft. They know the industry ( and their own mag income, and consequently their own jobs) depend on brisk sales.

    Because of that, they will try to present it in the best light - but they will be mindful of the criticisms.
    I must admit I hadn't thought of the ripple effect, but have to agree with what you have said.

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  2. #12


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    And though the RTM is all set in stone, the debate has yet to actually explode. When Windows 8 hits the market there will be 10x the debate. But that's all good because even MS has to pay some attention and there will be improvements to the completely new, nascent, cub of an UI that is Metro in the future and those improvements will come partially out of debates that have taken place, taking place now and will take place in the future...
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  3. #13


    Perhaps debate isn't the right word. I like to discuss Windows 8 as I'm looking for thoughts, opinions and usage stories of using the Metro interface. Personally I don't care for it, and i don't find it useful, but I like to hear from people who do to find out if they use the UI in a different manner than I do. This way, when somebody asks me for a recommendation, I can make a better recommendation if I understand how they use the UI and what Windows 8 could bring to the table for them.
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  4. #14


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    Quote Originally Posted by Phone Man View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post

    There are a few who love the Metro thing , and seem desperate to persuade everyone else to love it too.

    I haven't the slightest idea why they find it hard to handle that not everyone likes it.
    I agree but:

    There are a few who HATE the Metro thing , and seem desperate to persuade everyone else to HATE it too.

    I haven't the slightest idea why they find it hard to handle that not everyone HATES it.
    Well said mate. :thumbup:
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  5. #15


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    I like orange creamsicles...

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  6. #16


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arpan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Phone Man View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post

    There are a few who love the Metro thing , and seem desperate to persuade everyone else to love it too.

    I haven't the slightest idea why they find it hard to handle that not everyone likes it.
    I agree but:

    There are a few who HATE the Metro thing , and seem desperate to persuade everyone else to HATE it too.

    I haven't the slightest idea why they find it hard to handle that not everyone HATES it.
    Well said mate. :thumbup:

    Hi there

    Using METRO ONLY please attempt the following and report back on how you got on.

    1) Please just TRY using EXCEL where you need 3 or more different spread sheets open AT THE SAME TIME preferably on the same screen in different windows.

    2) Next open a Power point window and create a few slides using some data from EACH OF THE 3 EXCEL SHEETS.

    3) Finally open TWO WORD documents where you will write one in English and the other one in another language describing what the Spread sheets are and a bit about the Power point demo.


    If you can do this ONLY USING METRO good luck --- I need at least TWO monitors for this -- note also I could also have Photoshop open, be comparing two web sites and certainly having at least ONE GOOGLE session open.

    I'm certainly not going to flip through all these one screen at a time in full screen mode -- often you need to see more than one object at a time.

    This is the sort of stuff that makes Metro totally unfit for purpose to large numbers of users. The REAL AGGRO is that until a recent announcement users had no way of bypassing this stuff -- you were stuck with it whether you liked it or not and for typical REAL computer work you still need the traditional desktop workspace. A PC is NOT a tablet or Smartphone even though some people do little more on their PC's than they would on a phone or tablet.

    The real argument is that Ms should not be trying to kill off the traditional desktop for those that still need it. Had there been an option to use Metro or not then none of this would ever have arisen.

    People who simply use their computers like big smart phones -- OK but for the rest who do REAL WORK on machines Metro is an abomination -- and that's why so many hate it.

    Simple -- End of.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  7. #17


    Too right, Jimbo. But, from the latest rumours, MS are not about to kill off the desktop. It seems, if those rumours are to be believed, the legacy desktop will remain a viable option.

    But, like yourself, I do not see, in its present state, and being aware that it is the planned intention/hope, that everything will become "Metro", how a user can multl task. This was one of my first "moans" when the available early releases were examined.
    Good luck, Phone Man, if you have found a way to do this. But maybe, like myself, you are only using Metro as a menu, and not a desktop?

    But, as usual, the thread seems to have drifted from the tile. But maybe the OP can see how easily threads about Windows 8, past or present, can quickly drift into exchanges of information?
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  8. #18


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I like orange creamsicles...
    Good call CR, you got a genuine laff out of me with that one!

    The purpose of a debate is to prove a point by stating a case and countering all proferred evidence to the contrary. The rules require logical statements and information that can be substantiated. There is no place for opinions, feelings or preferences.

    Discussion on the other hand includes all of the above, with open-minded, unbiased sharing of information with a view to the discovery of the truth of any given matter.

    Re direct boot to desktop:

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45
    This is the sort of stuff that makes Metro totally unfit for purpose to large numbers of users. The REAL AGGRO is that until a recent announcement users had no way of bypassing this stuff -- you were stuck
    If this is true, all MS need to do now is restore the legacy strart menu so Classic Shell isn't needed, and there is no debate. And we can all get on with enjoying the positive attributes of 8 without acrimony.
    Last edited by Mustang; 28 Jul 2012 at 04:18.
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  9. #19


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    Hi.
    Debate or whatever we call it in which include valid arguments are OK to me. Been watching many threads since WDP release up to now. When thread opened an exchange of arguments inevitably took place. I believe I haven't participated much as my English is preventing me to do so. I can understand everyone's point but surely I'm at the same time also read many windows enthusiast blogs as Jimbo also mentioned. The pros and cons are not easily be ignored because each side clearly has it's strong points. What I mostly ignore is when one side start making a mark that they are right, and other side is wrong. It is indeed irrelevant as mostly IMHO aside from it's undeniable better engined OS, some people are wishing to have their preferences are fairly accommodated, me either. When the final release then doesn't meet ones expectation, there are always option and effort to make it less painful.

    That is only my thought

    Kevin
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  10. #20


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    People who simply use their computers like big smart phones -- OK but for the rest who do REAL WORK on machines Metro is an abomination -- and that's why so many hate it.
    Complete agreement here.

    I would be willing to bet that those who really do like Metro and the new UI, also enjoy working on tablets as well. I'd bet the people who really dislike Metro are the ones who don't really love tablets.

    My tablet is fine for a few very basic, simple tasks and content consumption...but I cannot do any real work with it. I would have never attempted this reply from my tablet...I'm on my laptop right now.
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