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Final Thoughts on Windows 8. Four days of pain and I am out.

  1. #1


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    Windows 8.1 Pro 64 Bit

    Final Thoughts on Windows 8. Four days of pain and I am out.


    I really wanted to like windows 8. When I first started using the OS, the new metro apps, etc, I saw a lot of potential, and I still do. The OS seems snappy at first, until you start doing some serious multi-tasking, and then it really seems to bog. My gut feel as to why this occurs, is that Microsoft, in an attempt to share some of the cpu load with the graphics card processor, has shoveled a bit too much of the load in that direction. It does not seem properly balanced. There should be no need for my gpu to be engaged all of the time as it seems it is, and I am worried my poor video card, a GTX 460, may suffer an early death because of it.

    My 3rd day with the OS, just doing some fairly basic stuff, I started to smell something of a chemical nature coming from my machine. Yeah, it seemed like it was running hot, and the fans were extra loud all the time, but it was not until I started to smell heat compound coming from the machine, that I decided my experiment with this version of windows needed to be over. I also noted, while running a game, that if I backed out of it with Alt tab, and tried to go browse the web for something, that the rest of the machine was incredibly sluggish, even though the game should have been more or less idle. Just simply typing a few characters into my web browser took a few seconds for each letter. The game itself is not a very graphics intense game. I had the impression that the machine was trying to rely too much on the gpu for cpu function, which was causing it to be sluggish, which in the end made it far from worth whatever gain it my be providing to me otherwise. That was my impression, though I do not know for certain what is driving things behind the scenes.

    Anyways, the rest of my beefs have all been made before. I just don't think this OS was designed for desktop users. Even after days of using it, it still feels clunky to me. I don't like the added steps I now have to take to get something that used to be simple accomplished. I liked the metro apps more or less until the mail and photos app quit working, probably because I have too many photos and emails.. I liked the way the people app interfaced with facebook. I thought I might even use it, until I discovered that it only showed about 20-30 updates, and there was no way to see more. I felt the same about the mail app at first, until I realized that simple things, like moving a handful of emails to a folder, or blocking a sender, were not easily done. It just feels like the os was designed for someone without a mouse and keyboard, which sort of produced the effect of pissing off those of us who are trying to use it with a mouse and keyboard. Now, when I click on any photo in my system, it tries to open it with photos metro app, and thus fails to open because the app crashed. I got around that by installing picasa, but it is the point. This does not feel ready for prime time.

    -The start button just should be there, even if it has no other function than to take you to metro start menu. Period.
    -The os should be for desktop users first, then tablet, not the other way around. I should be able to close an app with a single click, without the need for mouse gestures that only add to the sense that this OS was not designed for my desktop, but rather for a handheld.
    -Native mail and photo apps should work, regardless of how big my mail box is or how large my photo collection.
    -My graphics card should not be worked to the max for basic tasks..(even with latest driver).
    -My start menu should be more customize-able. I should not be forced to use colors that make it look like it was designed by rainbow bright, or some other cartoon character. The icons on my start menu should be customizable as well (this is really just basic stuff, that I cannot believe is not included).
    -I cannot see businesses embracing this OS as it is. Not at all. If you work at a desk, with a mouse and keyboard, and have done so for many years, you should not have to re-learn your working environment to accommodate the small fraction of users out there that are using a touch screen. The OS should be smart enough to know that there is no touch screen present, and adjust itself accordingly. I predict nearly 0% adoption amongst businesses. Except for those where touch is practical.

    If the start menu were more my own, the apps did not always fail, if the OS felt like it was designed for my platform instead of another, and my gpu did not over-heat when running this os, I might feel different then I do. In the meantime, I'm out. I hope Microsoft knows what the heck they are doing...

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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    First, you do have to remember that this is a Beta version of the OS. There are bugs, and you may have run into some of them. Judging the final version based on your experiences with the beta is a bit premature.

    Second, I have a NVidia 450 GTS, and I do not notice any extra workload on the GPU. In fact, I have my fans cranked down to minimum by using Rivatuner and it's quite fine.

    I notice none of the problems you talk about. That means this is not the typical experience. Obviously something is wrong.

    You don't have to use the Metro apps. You can install and still use the standard Live Essentails, or whatever. The Metro apps are still young and will need to mature over time.
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    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    I just don't think this OS was designed for desktop users.
    You are absolutely right. It is for tablets.

    In addition, MS have gone out of their way to prevent desktop users from avoiding Metro - causing a lot of alienation among their existing user base.

    That is the problem. If this turns out to be a disater for MS - it is their own fault.

    The oem's will suffer too, unfortunately - could be a real bloodbath for them.
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    Palm Coast FLorida
    Posts : 370
    Windows 8 Pro ($39.99 upgrade)


    The PC has been dead since 2009, wake up and smell the thermal paste.
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    Posts : 636
    Windows 7/8


    Quote Originally Posted by tcman50 View Post
    The PC has been dead since 2009, wake up and smell the thermal paste.
    For who? The tweeters? Maybe. Then there's the rest of us...
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    Posts : 219
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64 Bit


    Quote Originally Posted by tcman50 View Post
    The PC has been dead since 2009, wake up and smell the thermal paste.
    I am guessing that the PC is still the crux of most peoples digital experience. This is especially true in the business world. The business world is probably where most computers get used on a daily basis and is the bread and butter of the Microsoft install base. I stand by my statements, I do not seem them embracing this OS any time soon. Time will tell.

    I am sure I had some software problems which caused my heat issues. While it is true, that I do not have to use the metro apps and I can install whatever I like in place of them, what other reason is there to go for this upgrade. Y, there are some other nice features.. I actually liked the explorer ribbon, the app store addition, and native ISO support is great... Beyond that, if you have no desire for metro apps, then your best bet is just sticking with 7, which I just reloaded and am currently typing this message on.

    I think Microsoft is in for a rude awakening. Maybe in another 3-4 years, they will release windows 9 which will fix most of these issues, and then the concept will be embraced, sort of like what we saw between vista and 7.
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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Wow, that's odd, there must be something really odd going on with your hardware as I've never seen or heard something like that happening. I've installed it on several machines and everything has worked exceptionally well other than two PCs that have display driver issues.

    But, yeah, this is still a beta of Windows 8. It's not close to final. It will be though very soon.

    I do want to mention this though, the Start Screen at its original rumored concept more than a year ago was that it is an adaptable interface. It was said by steve ballmer that the new interface will be adaptable to the user. Little did it became known that the USER needs to be the input to make it adaptable to them.

    Yes, you can say multitasking isn't too great with metro apps, but it's hard to multitask when there isn't a lot to multitask with in metro apps. Yes, Windows 8 is designed much more for touch and tablets, but Windows since xp has been like that, the only difference is that it's more noticeable. A mouse interface doesn't work too well with touch and sometimes is a bit tedious with certain UI designs for the mouse. A more touch based interface works with a mouse and touch, yes, it does. There isn't a physical impediment.

    Also, I want to mention that if metro apps aren't floating you boat, then just don't use them. Simple as that. The Desktop is there and still feels more Desktop centric when it's adapted to be more Desktop centric. By default, it doesn't seem so much, but once you put a couple minutes into it, you've adapted it to suit your needs in the Desktop.

    I would suggest when the RTM hits the internet, as I bet it might in a few weeks, take it for a spin again. Things probably and should work correctly, there should be new updated device drivers for Windows 8, and your GPU won't and shouldn't catch flame! I stopped using the Mail app and such as it didn't cut it for me after a while, must be some bugs that still need exterminating. I use Outlook 2013 now, one Desktop app that does four metro apps in one. It acts like the metro apps when you have notifications from them, the little toast on the side comes up when you have mail or a task. I do agree with you that the Start Screen needs customization more than it does, either built in or through a utility. I want it to match my Windows Phone 7.8 at that time! Black background and red tiles!

    But as for businesses not adopting it, I don't know. For the enterprise that wants to use touch tablets, yes, they will use Windows 8. More IT people have been found that want to use Microsoft Surfaces than ipads as there's more familiarity to it. Also, it allows enterprises to build their own apps for their work staff to use them. For older xp era machines, it works better than Windows 7 and looks better. Believe you me, being able to change Desktop window colors is better than a yucky pasty blue! By the way, I know someone that owns a small car dealership and is actually willing to pay me to install Windows 8 Release Preview on their machines dual booted with 7 along with Office 2013 beta. I didn't show him the new UI, but I did mention it's wildly different, but worth it. Office 2013 is very different, but fantastic. Windows 8 would work better on their older machines than 7. And that was it, he wants Windows 8. Overall though, from the several people I've demoed Windows 8 to and the few I've shown Office 2013 to, the overwhelming response is a positive "Whoa!"
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    Win8.1 Pro, Desktop Mode


    I've been running the release preview since it came out, albeit totally in desktop mode and my experience is that it runs rock solid.
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  9. #9


    I finally made myself "like" Windows 8.
    Solution: Simply completely ignore metro apps. The first thing I do when my PC boot up is click on the "Desktop tile".
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    Win8.1 Pro, Desktop Mode


    Quote Originally Posted by davidvoyage View Post
    I finally made myself "like" Windows 8.
    Solution: Simply completely ignore metro apps. The first thing I do when my PC boot up is click on the "Desktop tile".
    Download and install "classic shell" it'll boot directly into desktop, and give you back your start menu and start button....
    Welcome to Classic Shell
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