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My logic behind Microsoft's controversial decision: Removal of Start

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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    It might seem very peculiar MS has removed the full start menu and replaced it with that truncated version.

    I wonder if anybody else has figured out why?

    That should generate a lot of hilarious responses.
    This explains part of the puzzle. To coincide with the release of Windows 8, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation will embark on a campaign to treat blindness in developing countries. The pervasive use of hidden hotspots such as the one that invokes the new right-click system menu in Windows 8 is intended to raise awareness of the initiative. "Blind people cannot rely on the visual cues sighted people take for granted," Gates said. "Windows 8 is the OS that levels the playing field through this and The 4 Corners." There is also an app through which you can donate to this and other worthy causes using your Microsoft points, optionally unlocking the hidden "Windows 7 Mode", though sadly, no one has found its invisible hotspot yet. Gates reportedly emailed Ballmer concerning this situation, "That's the stupidest thing I've ever (not) seen. It's like an Easter Egg, and we abolished those things years ago."

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  2. #82


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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    It might seem very peculiar MS has removed the full start menu and replaced it with that truncated version.

    I wonder if anybody else has figured out why?

    That should generate a lot of hilarious responses.
    Although true, you'll probably find this funny -> Because they're going to get rid of the desktop altogether. Another good reason to justify my forecast -> The Guts menu and the Charms Bar. More reasons why one would not need a desktop. Also keep in mind the four-corner navigation. BTW The Guts Menu is actually a right click over the appearing miniature Start Screen when one points to the lower left corner.
    Hypsie. Please tell me where people are going to go to get work done if the desktop is removed? (Assuming Metro is not turned INTO a desktop).

    We NEED multiple monitors with 6, 8, 10 apps running at once and VISIBLE all time at a glance. Metro cannot do that. And until it does, the desktop CANNOT and WILL NOT be gotten rid of.

    The GUTS menu is nothing more than a horrible hack on the entire system because of the removal of the start menu in the first place. It shouldn't need to be there at all. Hacks on hacks...
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  3. #83


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    Cool me terming it as the "Guts Menu" is holding....

    Crawfish said
    The pervasive use of hidden hotspots such as the one that invokes the new right-click system menu in Windows 8
    It isn't NEW that menu has been in all releases (DP, CP, and also RP).
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  4. #84


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    Windows 7 Ultimate x64 and Windows 8 Enterprise N x64


    I haven't read the discussion only the topic

    I just have one thing to say:
    FINALLY somebody else understands. It has frustrated me for months how narrow sightet and stubburn so many people out there are.
    Metro start screen is just like the start menu JUST BIGGER
    Nothing else. If you don't manage to see that, your just stupid
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  5. #85


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lonewolf View Post
    Crawfish said
    The pervasive use of hidden hotspots such as the one that invokes the new right-click system menu in Windows 8
    It isn't NEW that menu has been in all releases (DP, CP, and also RP).
    Huh? It's absolutely one of the new features (and I use that term very loosely) of Windows 8.
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  6. #86


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    Quote Originally Posted by crawfish View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lonewolf View Post
    Crawfish said
    The pervasive use of hidden hotspots such as the one that invokes the new right-click system menu in Windows 8
    It isn't NEW that menu has been in all releases (DP, CP, and also RP).
    Huh? It's absolutely one of the new features (and I use that term very loosely) of Windows 8.
    He just pointed out that it has been there since the Developer Preview
    He must have thought you thought it was new for the Release preview or something like that
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    Right aerandir92, his reply seems to say it is something that was ONLY discovered in this release. Atleast to me it does.
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  8. #88


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    Quote Originally Posted by aerandir92 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by crawfish View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lonewolf View Post
    Crawfish said

    It isn't NEW that menu has been in all releases (DP, CP, and also RP).
    Huh? It's absolutely one of the new features (and I use that term very loosely) of Windows 8.
    He just pointed out that it has been there since the Developer Preview
    He must have thought you thought it was new for the Release preview or something like that
    You don't say.
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  9. #89


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    Quote Originally Posted by aerandir92 View Post
    Metro start screen is just like the start menu JUST BIGGER
    Nothing else. If you don't manage to see that, your just stupid
    It is not the same as the old start menu. There is ton of missing functionality.
    • You can't rearrange your items (you can only move the pinned items, but not the All Apps)
    • You can't start multiple programs without closing the menu
    • You can't explore the Control Panel. You can only find items once you know the name. Who can tell me what's the name of the ATI settings panel this week?
    • You can't see your recent documents or recent programs
    • The context menu is greatly simplified. You can't email a file. You can't delete or rename a shortcut. You can't edit properties - like the shortcut's icon or command line


    Basically the start screen is limited to what you can do with your fat fingers. For many operations though you need a lot more precision. I have an idea. It may be a crazy sci-fi idea, but here it goes. What if we invent a device that you can hold in your hand and move on a flat surface to control the UI. It will measure said movement using a LASER! I shall call it Laser Cat.
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  10. #90


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    Ivo, try this. Move your mouse cursor all the way to the lower left then right click. You will get this menu (See picture below)

    Click image for larger version

    Sorry about the re-posting of this picture, but seems Ivo missed it.
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