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My logic behind Microsoft's controversial decision: Removal of Start

  1. #61


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    Is that a gesture of MS saying "Take it, or leave it?"

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  2. #62


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    [QUOTE=HippsieGypsie;104731]
    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    They will aim at what they think they will profit by whether I like it or not. My only choice as a consumer is whether to purchase or not.
    Nicely put Tony,
    :thumbup:
    Yeah, thats right. M$ isn't putting gun on anyone's head. You have the right to decide whether you want windows 8 or not. After all, its a business
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    *Puts hands up in the air* Yes Mr. Ballmer, my wallet is in my back pocket <gulp>
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    [QUOTE=Arpan;104773]
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    They will aim at what they think they will profit by whether I like it or not. My only choice as a consumer is whether to purchase or not.
    Nicely put Tony,
    :thumbup:
    Yeah, thats right. M$ isn't putting gun on anyone's head. You have the right to decide whether you want windows 8 or not. After all, its a business
    Exactly, it is the consumers responsibility to be educated and intelligent about what to put their hard earned money down on. Hopefully customers will see that M$ is trying to pick their pockets forcibly by way of forcing Metro on them with NO way to avoid it completely, by booting every time directly to desktop like we can currently accomplish with Windows 7. If there is no default setting to configure this I will be one of many consumers that will NOT buy Windows 8. I have nothing against having the OPTION of selecting Metro if I wish as the default to boot setting, but with no CHOICE they will be NO money coming from me.
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  5. #65


    Metro UI is NOT just a skin, not even close. There is whole separate API, called WinRT, to develop in.

    Note that WinRT is different from Windows RT, which is the ARM based Windows 8 edition. All Windows 8 editions have WinRT.
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  6. #66


    Quote Originally Posted by skallal View Post
    Metro UI is NOT just a skin, not even close. There is whole separate API, called WinRT, to develop in.

    Note that WinRT is different from Windows RT, which is the ARM based Windows 8 edition. All Windows 8 editions have WinRT.
    Thanks for the info, skallal.

    Obviously I'm not educated to that level on how software works. I just know some of the basics. I just read up on API again. I know there's a difference in the hardware architecture of systems such as ARM, Intel, Mac, etc., so one would have to write within it's API. Not quite grasping it to tell you the truth. Do I have that correct?

    Just read a little on WinRT. I see this is the backbone of Metro on an Intel based PC. Do I have that correct?

    Either which way, do you get my drift so far as where I think and believe M$ is heading? I'm thinking M$ is thinking that since they are the ones that produce the OSs, they are putting the kibosh on anyone loading 3rd party software onto one's PC without them (M$) getting a piece of the pie. 3rd party software companies are going to agree with this since there is so much piracy going on. I realize there will always be hackers, but I think it may slow them down?

    Is what I'm thinking about M$ possible? Keep in mind Office 2013 is Metro.
    Last edited by HippsieGypsie; 24 Jul 2012 at 18:35.
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  7. #67


    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lonewolf View Post
    *Puts hands up in the air* Yes Mr. Ballmer, my wallet is in my back pocket <gulp>
    Not quite sure how to take that since we shovel out bucks for software anyway.
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  8. #68


    [QUOTE=legacy7955;104788]
    Quote Originally Posted by Arpan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post

    Nicely put Tony,
    :thumbup:
    Yeah, thats right. M$ isn't putting gun on anyone's head. You have the right to decide whether you want windows 8 or not. After all, its a business
    Exactly, it is the consumers responsibility to be educated and intelligent about what to put their hard earned money down on. Hopefully customers will see that M$ is trying to pick their pockets forcibly by way of forcing Metro on them with NO way to avoid it completely, by booting every time directly to desktop like we can currently accomplish with Windows 7. If there is no default setting to configure this I will be one of many consumers that will NOT buy Windows 8. I have nothing against having the OPTION of selecting Metro if I wish as the default to boot setting, but with no CHOICE they will be NO money coming from me.
    legacy, I totally sympathize with you on choice. I really do. I know many are disappointed with it. I'm thinking and am pretty sure M$ will allow that in an enterprise edition so as not to leave your types out. But, with skallal's post above, will that be possible?
    Last edited by HippsieGypsie; 25 Jul 2012 at 09:38.
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  9. #69


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    Yes, it is a skin, you can take Metro out and the main o/s is just fine. I have done it.

    I know there is a separate api for developing metro apps., so it is not just a skin if you are interested in those kind of apps.

    That is what win8 is all about - apps, apps, apps, consume , consume, consume....


    Quote Originally Posted by skallal View Post
    Metro UI is NOT just a skin, not even close. There is whole separate API, called WinRT, to develop in.

    Note that WinRT is different from Windows RT, which is the ARM based Windows 8 edition. All Windows 8 editions have WinRT.
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  10. #70


    I'm just really trying to reach an answer to my questions in my posts here and to learn a few things. Gentlemen, please make up my mind

    SIW2, I'll trust you are correct since you posted and Skallal has not so far. I'll assume that Metro is a skin which is a choice within the OS.

    I understand that APIs have to do with software languages. Are there two seperate APIs? One for writing the OS and one for writing the apps? Or within the OS there is an API to write apps?

    Can someone please comment or answer my question on this:
    Either which way, do you get my drift so far as where I think and believe M$ is heading? I'm thinking M$ is thinking that since they are the ones that produce the OSs, they are putting the kibosh on anyone loading 3rd party software onto one's PC without them (M$) getting a piece of the pie. 3rd party software companies are going to agree with this since there is so much piracy going on. I realize there will always be hackers, but I think it may slow them down?

    Is what I'm thinking about M$ possible? Keep in mind Office 2013 is Metro.
    After thinking about this, I believe it's not M$'s only motive concerning 3rd party software. It's also about the user/consumer to be able to personalize their device, whether it be a PC, Pad, Lappy, Phone, etc., although I don't care about M$'s or other software company's motives. I'll assume it's about making a profit just like any other business.

    Is it possible to have a Kernal and add apps and skins to it as one desires????????
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