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  1. #261


    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kbz1960 View Post
    Well I guess backwards is a matter of opinion also
    Exactly! But then, maybe I'm dyslexic and mis-reading all the negative opinions on blogs, articles, reviews, posts on other forums .... ad nauseum.

    The ultimate umpire of course will be the public consumers. So probably not much point in further discussion. Lets just wait and see.

    Even so, remember that my earlier post #252 in this thread was in response to RobR to explain to him the reason why we'd ever buy W8, when we've criticized it so much.
    Yep we will all see soon enough. BTW I'm a blackberry fan so I know all about the negative opinions on blogs, articles, reviews, post from iPhone and Android fans

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  2. #262


    Quote Originally Posted by Tepid View Post
    all I can say is, people were very anti-vista, then it hit the market and it blew up due to MS low specs and OEM's not r and d'ing and providing a real system to run it on, but after a while, a lot of people did like it, then 7 and people are all about 7, it's the greatest thing since XP SP2.

    Once people get a taste of what can be done with a Win8 Tablet (especially Win8 Pro) and considering the price equal to an Ipad?

    Yeah, we will see who gets what for Christmas this year.

    And I predict Win8 will smoke Ipad's,,,, as long as people are properly informed, which they are not being informed properly, with all the negative stuff out there.

    People need to not pay attention to that stuff and seriously check it out for themselves.
    after full release and the products are on the shelves.

    To be able to do what a Win8 Pro Tablet will do, is nothing to shake a stick at, it really will be a huge step forward and force Ipad and Android to change thier OS models. Trust on that.


    One thing I do not want in a tablet and why i won't buy an ipad at the price or an android, is simply, don't want app driven garbage that you can't do all that much with.

    If windows goes this route and removes Desktop completely and the ability to run full apps, and goes this way of strictly app driven garbage, they will lose a whole lot of people to Linux and that will explode into the mainstream. That you can also trust on.

    I seriously doubt MS will do that though, they will always offer an Enterpise/Pro level OS for business and people like us. But they will also offer the RT for the app driven garbage for the other people
    I agree if they take the desktop completely away. Can't imagine them doing that but stranger things have happened.
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  3. #263


    Posts : 76
    Windows 8.1 Professional


    I have already upgraded to Windows 8 Professional,

    Kinda silly of me but I instantly deleted my old windows 7 SSD so I could save games on it


    Anyway I have no real problems with the software, its mainly just a few bugs that I am sure will be fixed by general release, such as the sidebars activating in-game (Made me lose a LOL Game before I twigged what it was)


    But its working smoothly with no problems so far
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  4. #264


    Australia
    Posts : 716
    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Quote Originally Posted by kbz1960 View Post
    Yep we will all see soon enough. BTW I'm a blackberry fan so I know all about the negative opinions on blogs, articles, reviews, post from iPhone and Android fans
    Well, as I said before the purpose of my earlier post #252 in this thread was in response to RobR to explain to him the reason why we'd ever buy W8, when we've criticized it so much. All the rest is really hypotheticals.

    I'm not interested in touchphones, (have a Sony Experia, which I only use for phone calls/text messages, SAT/NAV), iPad, Tablet, laptops or social internet. I don't even watch the news on TV, let alone on a smartfone. And as for writing word docs, or xcel on a screen the size of two match boxes ... it's insanity. And who would want to read web sites where you have to enlarge the text to such a size to be able to read it, you then have to scroll two or three times to read a sentence. Gimme a break!

    I find it a big enough pain in the butt just carrying around my mob phone, stylus and reading glasses in the car, or shopping centre, without lugging around a laptop, tablet or iPad for God's sake.

    I'm running a high end Intel 6core/12thread radiator cooled CPU on extreme mobo, 12GB RAM, with SATA3 SSD HD, 3 SLI linked graphics cards, USB3 External HD, eSATA HD in caddy on tower with a couple of burners. That's my hobby. I also belong to a world wide fellowship and repair PCs for members in my area, also as hobby, no charge.

    Why would I want a tile menu when one program alone has 40 odd sub-menu iterms. In Metro my programs occupy over 7 screens on a 24 inch widescreen. Orb and alphanumeric menu occupies about 3% of my screen. I have 40 odd icon shortcuts on my desktop which occupy less than 20% of the screen for frequently used programs, the jump menu for less frequently used, and the cascaded alphnumeric menu for infrequently used items. All accessed wihtout leaving the desktop. And the ability to have 5 or 6 windows open simultaneously.

    And don't tell me you can do all that on W8 without Stardock or similar. And Stardock does not do everythig legacy start menu does on W7. For examply, Stardock can't drag/drop sub-menu items in the start menu to the main entry; send to desktop as shortcut, re-name items. Add to that one click on user name to access AppData, Documents, Favorites, etc. And the list goes on ... and on ... and on.
    Last edited by Mustang; 30 Sep 2012 at 22:38.
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  5. #265


    Posts : 835
    Win 8.1 Pro


    Well, I can tell you that my internet phone has come in extremely handy at times when out shopping for things.
    Being able to bring up the net and find and compare items, or show a clerk that an item is on sale, or if they have it in stock has saved me time. So, there are many uses for it, however, making it a primary device (like many do with Aircards for work cause they refuse to pay for their own internet) is absurd.

    But if you are out and need to look at something or kill some time? yeah, very handy and useful.

    With a Tablet, it will be even more so, if you happen to have it with you in the car, which a lot of people will/do/should.

    There are far more benefits to a tablet and a phone with internet access than just social media.

    And who in their right mind is going to create a complete spread sheet on their phone? No one.
    But, if you need to make a last minute change? Or throw a thought together? that is not a useless feature to have when/if needed.
    Will everyone need it? No, but it's nice it is there.

    I really think people are far more negative than really is warranted.
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  6. #266


    Australia
    Posts : 716
    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Quote Originally Posted by Tepid View Post
    Well, I can tell you that my internet phone has come in extremely handy at times when out shopping for things.
    Being able to bring up the net and find and compare items, or show a clerk that an item is on sale, or if they have it in stock has saved me time. So, there are many uses for it, however, making it a primary device (like many do with Aircards for work cause they refuse to pay for their own internet) is absurd.

    But if you are out and need to look at something or kill some time? yeah, very handy and useful.

    With a Tablet, it will be even more so, if you happen to have it with you in the car, which a lot of people will/do/should.

    There are far more benefits to a tablet and a phone with internet access than just social media.

    And who in their right mind is going to create a complete spread sheet on their phone? No one.
    But, if you need to make a last minute change? Or throw a thought together? that is not a useless feature to have when/if needed.
    Will everyone need it? No, but it's nice it is there.

    I really think people are far more negative than really is warranted.
    I certainly agree mobile devices can be very handy at times.

    However, I do all my pre-shopping research on the net at home before I set foot out the door. So I've already checked prices, availability, and if necessary cut a deal by phone. When I leave home I'm organized and know where I'm going and what my agenda is. And I won't leave a tablet in my car as a target for thieves to steal by smashing in my car windows. Or as I said before, lug one around a shopping centre.

    And if I've got a bit of time to kill, no way do I want to be stuck on an electronic device. I'd rather take a quiet walk by the river or beach, or watch a sunset, smell the roses ... or maybe even do a quiet relaxation exercise akin to a meditation.

    Who wants to be connected 24/7? I recently took a long slow country trip just to get away from the phone, PC, email, visitors dropping in, and neighbors. And in remote regions of Aussie there often is no mobile phone network. In fact if you're travelling the outback you need to advise authorities of departure, route and ETA at next destination, for that very reason. Ask the Yankee guy Begucki, who got lost in the North West of Aussie a few years ago, and was saved by a million to one shot when spotted by a news chopper.

    Maybe I'm a bit odd, but I've never once needed to view, amend or transmit a spreadsheet, word doc, or whatever from a mobile device. As stated earlier, 99% of the time that can be done from a desktop if you're properly organized. And who wants to buy something on the net or Bpay a bill when you can't print a hard copy receipt? It seems to me a lot of the need for a mobile computer comes from laziness in not being organized.

    My son has his own business and used to do everything on his $3000 Sony Vaio laptop. I built him a $1,000 tower with 24 inch widescreen montior and he now does 90% of his computer work at home. IMHO it seems that people have become too dependent on mobile devices and needing to have computer access 24/7.

    You might laugh at this, but at one point I was so addicted to PCs I'd stay up two days straight on some occasions, to the point where I used to have repetitive, hallucinatory type dreams where I'd see images of programs, spreadsheets, games, etc. And I couldn't get the images out of my mind's eye, even when I was wide awake ... and no, I wasn't wired.
    Last edited by Mustang; 30 Sep 2012 at 23:45.
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  7. #267


    Posts : 59
    Windows 8.1.1


    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    ........... You might laugh at this, but at one point I was so addicted to PCs I'd stay up two days straight on some occasions, to the point where I used to have repetitive, hallucinatory type dreams where I'd see images of programs, spreadsheets, games, etc. And I couldn't get the images out of my mind's eye, even when I was wide awake ... and no, I wasn't wired.
    Ah, the good old days. I was doing a good bit of that 1994-1996 or thereabouts. On my old Packard Hell, 420mb hard drive and 8mb ram. Prodigy dial-up at 9600 baud. My computer childhood, fondly remembered.
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  8. #268


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Tepid View Post
    Well, I can tell you that my internet phone has come in extremely handy at times when out shopping for things.
    Being able to bring up the net and find and compare items, or show a clerk that an item is on sale, or if they have it in stock has saved me time. So, there are many uses for it, however, making it a primary device (like many do with Aircards for work cause they refuse to pay for their own internet) is absurd.

    But if you are out and need to look at something or kill some time? yeah, very handy and useful.

    With a Tablet, it will be even more so, if you happen to have it with you in the car, which a lot of people will/do/should.

    There are far more benefits to a tablet and a phone with internet access than just social media.

    And who in their right mind is going to create a complete spread sheet on their phone? No one.
    But, if you need to make a last minute change? Or throw a thought together? that is not a useless feature to have when/if needed.
    Will everyone need it? No, but it's nice it is there.

    I really think people are far more negative than really is warranted.
    I certainly agree mobile devices can be very handy at times.

    However, I do all my pre-shopping research on the net at home before I set foot out the door. So I've already checked prices, availability, and if necessary cut a deal by phone. When I leave home I'm organized and know where I'm going and what my agenda is. And I won't leave a tablet in my car as a target for thieves to steal by smashing in my car windows. Or as I said before, lug one around a shopping centre.

    And if I've got a bit of time to kill, no way do I want to be stuck on an electronic device. I'd rather take a quiet walk by the river or beach, or watch a sunset, smell the roses ... or maybe even do a quiet relaxation exercise akin to a meditation.

    Who wants to be connected 24/7? I recently took a long slow country trip just to get away from the phone, PC, email, visitors dropping in, and neighbors. And in remote regions of Aussie there often is no mobile phone network. In fact if you're travelling the outback you need to advise authorities of departure, route and ETA at next destination, for that very reason. Ask the Yankee guy Begucki, who got lost in the North West of Aussie a few years ago, and was saved by a million to one shot when spotted by a news chopper.

    Maybe I'm a bit odd, but I've never once needed to view, amend or transmit a spreadsheet, word doc, or whatever from a mobile device. As stated earlier, 99% of the time that can be done from a desktop if you're properly organized. And who wants to buy something on the net or Bpay a bill when you can't print a hard copy receipt? It seems to me a lot of the need for a mobile computer comes from laziness in not being organized.

    My son has his own business and used to do everything on his $3000 Sony Vaio laptop. I built him a $1,000 tower with 24 inch widescreen montior and he now does 90% of his computer work at home. IMHO it seems that people have become too dependent on mobile devices and needing to have computer access 24/7.

    You might laugh at this, but at one point I was so addicted to PCs I'd stay up two days straight on some occasions, to the point where I used to have repetitive, hallucinatory type dreams where I'd see images of programs, spreadsheets, games, etc. And I couldn't get the images out of my mind's eye, even when I was wide awake ... and no, I wasn't wired.
    I too do a ton of desktopping and the thing I love about my Windows Phone, it feels like my PC's companion. I can make appointments in Outlook, and get those reminders and appointments on my phone with the calendar tile and lock screen. I overwhelmingly prefer researching for products and reviews on my desktop over my phone because it's just better. But the thing about mobile devices isn't simply because people aren't disorganized per se, it's more that they prefer mobility over not. A person can use the same laptop at work and at home and everywhere in between to do the same tasks that a desktop could do. But then again, it depends on the person. I wouldn't want to run a business solely on a 10 inch tablet PC or a laptop. I need something with good input devices and methods and a larger screen and faster hardware. The tablet PC would my filler device for things I need to do on my desktop, but don't really want to do on my Windows Phone. But I would use the tablet PC at a workplace over their systems as I can customize the poop out of Windows and can have my personal setup in action over some IT guy's idea of a setup.

    And if I must say about your one-time addiction, WOW.
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  9. #269


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Tepid View Post
    Well, I can tell you that my internet phone has come in extremely handy at times when out shopping for things.
    Being able to bring up the net and find and compare items, or show a clerk that an item is on sale, or if they have it in stock has saved me time. So, there are many uses for it, however, making it a primary device (like many do with Aircards for work cause they refuse to pay for their own internet) is absurd.

    But if you are out and need to look at something or kill some time? yeah, very handy and useful.

    With a Tablet, it will be even more so, if you happen to have it with you in the car, which a lot of people will/do/should.

    There are far more benefits to a tablet and a phone with internet access than just social media.

    And who in their right mind is going to create a complete spread sheet on their phone? No one.
    But, if you need to make a last minute change? Or throw a thought together? that is not a useless feature to have when/if needed.
    Will everyone need it? No, but it's nice it is there.

    I really think people are far more negative than really is warranted.
    The thing I just don't understand is how carriers are throwing out their share everything plans because people literally use more than 3 gigs of data. WHAT ARE THEY DOING?!??!!! Seriously, I would rather give up my phone than to use it as my primary device. I couldn't do it, I'd get so upset.

    But yes, there are many things to a smartphone other than social networking. There was this saying once, it went, "A computer is only as smart as the person using it." I think an updated one should be, "A smartphone is only as smart as the person using it." Which, if you look at today's average smartphone user, the future of an intelligent, enlighten society is getting bleaker by the day.

    I remember a month ago, I was helping to assemble my niece's swing set for her birthday. My brothers and I were working on it and they're not greatly engineering/following instructions/design oriented. I was putting together the actual swing chains to the top bar, but the carriage bolt wasn't fitting correctly. I whipped out my Windows Phone, flipped on the front facing camera and took a picture of the top of the hole on the bar and saw that my idiot brothers assembled the top incorrectly. Everyone was like, "Whoa, I would had never thought of ever doing that" when I used my phone. Really?
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  10. #270


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Tepid View Post
    all I can say is, people were very anti-vista, then it hit the market and it blew up due to MS low specs and OEM's not r and d'ing and providing a real system to run it on, but after a while, a lot of people did like it, then 7 and people are all about 7, it's the greatest thing since XP SP2.

    Once people get a taste of what can be done with a Win8 Tablet (especially Win8 Pro) and considering the price equal to an Ipad?

    Yeah, we will see who gets what for Christmas this year.

    And I predict Win8 will smoke Ipad's,,,, as long as people are properly informed, which they are not being informed properly, with all the negative stuff out there.

    People need to not pay attention to that stuff and seriously check it out for themselves.
    after full release and the products are on the shelves.

    To be able to do what a Win8 Pro Tablet will do, is nothing to shake a stick at, it really will be a huge step forward and force Ipad and Android to change thier OS models. Trust on that.


    One thing I do not want in a tablet and why i won't buy an ipad at the price or an android, is simply, don't want app driven garbage that you can't do all that much with.

    If windows goes this route and removes Desktop completely and the ability to run full apps, and goes this way of strictly app driven garbage, they will lose a whole lot of people to Linux and that will explode into the mainstream. That you can also trust on.

    I seriously doubt MS will do that though, they will always offer an Enterpise/Pro level OS for business and people like us. But they will also offer the RT for the app driven garbage for the other people
    Totally agree about the Windows tablet part. A HUGE pro over the ipad is that ios is detected as a mobile platform, so mobile optimized sites are rendered. In Windows 8, IE 10 is detected as the true Desktop version of the site, so therefore, EVERY bit of content on that site is shown versus digging around the mobile version. Why would you use a neutered smartphone OS for a tablet and then have the blasphemies to call it a PC replacement?

    I would forever despise the person that would ever gift me an ipad for Christmas....
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