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View Poll Results: Will you be upgrading to Windows 8?

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  • Yes

    72 46.45%
  • Maybe

    32 20.65%
  • No

    51 32.90%
  1. #161


    Australia
    Posts : 716
    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Thank you Jim for:

    Quote Originally Posted by Phone Man
    A lot of SSD's take care of fragments with their own routines. Interesting article about how Plextor's TrueSpeed routine does it. Click on the April 2012 issue and see pg 54-56. Pg 56 looks like the same thing that diskeeper is doing. When you reach the page just click it and it will zoom and then can be moved around to read it.

    ComputerPowerUser.com Digital Edition

    Jim
    And thank you DooRules for:

    Quote Originally Posted by DooRules
    No need to take my word for it though, here is a 200 page thread over at xtreme that documents how much writes pretty much all ssd's can do. The sammy 830 is closing in on 3000 GB's write to the drive and still chugging along.

    SSD Write Endurance 25nm Vs 34nm
    I'm not technically qualified to fully understand all of it, but am satisfied with the results from the various tests.

    As mentioned a few posts back, I will adopt a hands on approach, and just use my set up as it stands, and see if there is any noticeable drop in performance over the next few months. If there is I will then run the trial version of Diskeeper with HyperFast to to see if it makes a difference.

    I don't know if Corsair SSDs have an inbuilt "garbage collection" optimizer, but being a reputable brand I would imagine they do. Add to that Windows TRIM and hopefully that should keep things running at an acceptable speed.

    In one of Corsairs FAQ respones they state that you do not need to tweak your OS to maintain high levels of performance, which tends to imply they do have some form of inbuilt optimizer.

    Cheers Joachim

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  2. #162


    Every time I look at this thread, I see arguments about defragmenting SSD's. I swear, on a lot of other forums I'm on, you guys would be banned.

    Any way, I don't defragment SSD's. Never have, probably never won't. Now, I am going to
    I, too, will be unsubscribing from this thread and never defrag an SSD. I don't mind the discussion on dedrag of SSDs. I learned a lot. I must admit that I did add to the subject with a very brief post. All in all, though, I think it should of been started in a different thread.

    Anyway, the poll is basically tied at the categories of the "Wills" and the "Will Knots". I'll state that it will most likely remain this way for the poll has been posted a good while and this will most likely remain the average. So, in conclusion, I'd say we will have to wait to see what the "Maybes" do upon final release.

    2-a-roo for now............
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  3. #163


    Australia
    Posts : 716
    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    For me the jury is still out re upgrading. I normally only buy retail, in case my PC carks it or I want to upgrade to a better machine. However, I'm not sure I want to pay retail prices for Win8. An upgrade would be worth the money, but in the past I had so many problems upgrading to newer versions of Windows that I gave it away after upgrading from Win98 2nd Ed to XP Home. Eventually I abandoned the upgrade and got WinXP Pro retail. And been retail ever since.
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  4. #164


    Tropical Island Pair a Dice
    Posts : 3,030
    Windows 8.1 Pro x64/ Windows 7 Ult x64


    Quote Originally Posted by DooRules View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Cly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    Personally I'm not really worried about wearing out my SSD from excessive write/rewrites, as I wouldn't even come close to 20GB/day.
    You should be worried about it. The write performance will go down by 50% or more very quickly. The 20GB/day figure is pie in the sky best case scenario before the chip outright goes caput.
    Sorry but you don't know what you are talking about bud. That was an issue in gen 1 ssd drives a few years ago, not in any modern ssd. There is nothing to worry about in terms of writes, you will wear out first.

    No need to take my word for it though, here is a 200 page thread over at xtreme that documents how much writes pretty much all ssd's can do. The sammy 830 is closing in on 3000 GB's write to the drive and still chugging along.

    SSD Write Endurance 25nm Vs 34nm
    That is a very good link.
    I've been watching that thread since about a week after they started, pretty amazing information.
    The rumors of SSD lack of durability has been exaggerated.

    Actually as of 15 July 2012 the Samsung has written:
    Samsung 830 256GB Day 117 post #4924.

    (GiB) 2,859,613.04
    (TiB) 2,792.59 = ~3071TB
    (PiB) 2.74 =~3.085 PB

    Conversion base : 1 TiB = 1.099511627776 TB
    Conversion base : 1 PiB = 1.1258999068426 PB

    So it's actually 3,071TB of writes, and still going.

    1 PB = 1 thousand terabytes = 1 million gigabytes

    The average desktop user writes between 7-10 GB worth of information per day.
    So let's use the above number of 20GB/day.
    5 years (some SSD warranty period) or 1,825 days at 20GB/day is 36,500 GB or 36.5 TB.
    Let's say 3 million GB from the 3.085 PB already written by the Samsung 830 , which makes it's life expectancy about 410 years.

    YMMV

    Put me in the no defrag an SSD group.
    Optimize/ run trim, yes.
    Last edited by Dave76; 16 Jul 2012 at 09:14.
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  5. #165


    Australia
    Posts : 716
    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Quote Originally Posted by Dave76 View Post
    That is a very good link.
    I've been watching that thread since about a week after they started, pretty amazing information.
    The rumors of SSD lack of durability has been exaggerated.

    Actually as of 15 July 2012 the Samsung has written:
    Samsung 830 256GB Day 117 post #4924.

    (GiB) 2,859,613.04
    (TiB) 2,792.59 = ~3071TB
    (PiB) 2.74 =~3.085 PB

    Conversion base : 1 TiB = 1.099511627776 TB
    Conversion base : 1 PiB = 1.1258999068426 PB

    So it's actually 3,071TB of writes, and still going.

    1 PB = 1 thousand terabytes = 1 million gigabytes

    The average desktop user writes between 7-10 GB worth of information per day.
    So let's use the above number of 20GB/day.
    5 years (some SSD warranty period) or 1,825 days at 20GB/day is 36,500 GB or 36.5 TB.
    Let's say 3 million GB from the 3.085 PB already written by the Samsung 830 , which makes it's life expectancy about 410 years.

    YMMV

    Put me in the no defrag an SSD group.
    Optimize/ run trim, yes.
    Wow! That says it all. I didn't know how to translate the figures into every day usage.

    And totally agree with: a) No defrag b) Trim, optimize.
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  6. #166


    Posts : 21
    Windows 8 Release Preview Build 8400


    It all depends on support for the programs I use which currently I'm having trouble with in the Consumer Preview. (I haven't updated to Release Preview because Microsoft doesn't feel like making the Windows.old work from the Consumer Preview to Release Preview--probably the most common upgrade occurring. If it does work with it, then I've been misinformed, and it's just my computer causing it.)
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  7. #167


    Palm Coast FLorida
    Posts : 370
    Windows 8 Pro ($39.99 upgrade)


    Yeah, I will upgrade, I got three computers plus a laptop, some more important to me than others, will try it on one of the lesser computers first.
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  8. #168


    Australia
    Posts : 716
    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM

    Upgrade effect on licence


    I have Win7 retail. If I purchase the upgrade to Win8, when the retail is released, how does it affect my licence after I've activated the upgrade?

    1. Can I still have Win7 on my original computer and Win8 upgrade on a 2nd hard drive?

    2. Would my licence still apply to Win7 if I wasn't happy with Win8 and just wanted Win7, or is it now considered a Win8 licence only?
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  9. #169


    Oh no! Oh no! We aren't back on topic are we? It can't be! Oh no! Oh no!
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  10. #170


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Will I upgrade?...

    If the new metro design of Office 2013 has an influence of the new metro Desktop that will be in the RTM....

    YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!
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