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  1. #151


    Australia
    Posts : 716
    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Quote Originally Posted by Ex_Brit View Post
    Only a 30-day free trial. The built-in Defragger in Windows is actually a form of 'Diskeeper Lite' (very Lite!) for want of a better description. There are other free defraggers out there though and there is a Diskeeper Lite version for download: Download Diskeeper Lite free .
    Never tried it though so not too sure of its features.
    Thank you. Will download and investigate and report back. Cheers Mustang

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  2. #152


    Toronto, Canada. Born in the U.K.
    Posts : 691
    Win 10 Pro + Win 7 Ult SP1 (x64)


    OK, good luck ;-)
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  3. #153


    Posts : 454
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    When I got my first SSD a few months ago I had discussions with the technical support section of the manufacturer Corsair, as to whether I might have damaged it because I had defragged it a couple of times in ignorance. This was Corsair's reply in part:

    1. The SSDs we develop will last up to 20 years even if you write more than 20GB of information a day (which is well beyond the normal user). I believe you will replace your system long before you replace the SSD.
    "Up to?" What do they guarantee? Intel spec'd their very popular X25-M series for a minimum of 5 years at 20 GB/day, and this hasn't changed with their more recent 510 and 520 series. ISTR that the latest batch of SSDs are rated for 3,000 program/erase cycles vs 5,000-10,000 in the drives one generation back. My understanding is that they partially make up for this decreased longevity by using data compression, but all the advantages of data compression go away if you use encryption with programs like Bitlocker or Truecrypt. I'd ask Corsair what their minimum guarantee is for both compressible and uncompressible data, for a drive formatted to full capacity, as well as how much overprovisioning they use, and what technology they're using.

    As I mentioned in an earlier post, there are whitepapers on intel.com where they talk about end-user overprovisioning to increase the longevity, in addition to the overprovisioning that comes from the factory. The one for the X25-M series uses the 160 GB model as an example and gives 29 TB for the expected endurance OOTB, increasing to 68 TB with 16 GB overprovisioning and so on. But Corsair is claiming almost 150 TB for their drives with no overprovisioning, using I presume newer technology that has fewer write/erase cycles than the 34nm X25-M drives? Interesting...

    As I wrote earlier, most people will just format to maximum capacity and not overprovision, which means that things like hibernation and hybrid sleep can use up the majority of their writes all by themselves going by the Intel numbers. Though pointless, I would guess defragging is less of a concern WRT lifespan because it's done much less frequently than sleeping, and once defragged, files stay defragged. So it would be expected that an initial defragmentation would move a lot of data around, but subsequent ones would move less.

    I always recommend disabling hybrid sleep on SSDs unless you really need it, and if you're on a laptop, you don't thanks to the battery, and on a desktop equipped with a decent UPS like my APC XS-1500 running Powerchute, you don't, because the UPS will wake it from regular sleep to hibernate in the event of a prolonged power outage. This saves me 10s of GBs of completely pointless writes per day.
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  4. #154


    Posts : 106
    Windows 8 Pro


    They are two issues: (i) how long they last and (ii) how quickly their speed (especially their write speed) deteriorates.

    Lots of writing an SSD make for a slower SSD more quickly.
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  5. #155


    Posts : 106
    Windows 8 Pro


    [QUOTE=crawfish;103033]
    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    As I mentioned in an earlier post, there are whitepapers on intel.com where they talk about end-user overprovisioning to increase the longevity
    How does overprovisioning increase longevity?
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  6. #156


    Posts : 51
    Windows 8 pre-release


    Depending on the price, I will definitely upgrade. I have both a 64-bit and a 32-bit PC running Windows 7 and Vista.
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  7. #157


    Australia
    Posts : 716
    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Quote Originally Posted by Cly View Post
    They are two issues: (i) how long they last and (ii) how quickly their speed (especially their write speed) deteriorates.

    Lots of writing an SSD make for a slower SSD more quickly.
    Personally I'm not really worried about wearing out my SSD from excessive write/rewrites, as I wouldn't even come close to 20GB/day.

    So the real question for me becomes how to maintain write speed. The PDF from the link provided by Phone Man in post #104, shows the results claimed by Diskeper's HyperFast utility, which is dedicated to targetting and optimizing SSDs by overcoming 'write speed degradation due to free space fragmentation'. If it does what it claims to do, that would satisfy me.

    I haven't had a chance to use it yet, but plan to download the trial version. Corsair in their FAQs do show a way of measuring preformance, and provide a benchmark rate that the SSD should keep up to. This would provide an accurate way of knowing if Hyperfast was actually working.

    I don't know if I can be bothered going to that much trouble. More than likely I'll just wait a few months and if it shows signs of significant drop in speed, then I'll run the trial version to see if there is any noticeable improvement.
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  8. #158


    Posts : 106
    Windows 8 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    Personally I'm not really worried about wearing out my SSD from excessive write/rewrites, as I wouldn't even come close to 20GB/day.
    You should be worried about it. The write performance will go down by 50% or more very quickly. The 20GB/day figure is pie in the sky best case scenario before the chip outright goes caput.
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  9. #159


    Covington, La
    Posts : 1,184
    Windows 7 HP 64bit, Windows 8.1 Pro w/Media Center 64BIT


    A lot of SSD's take care of fragments with their own routines. Interesting article about how Plextor's TrueSpeed routine does it. Click on the April 2012 issue and see pg 54-56. Pg 56 looks like the same thing that diskeeper is doing. When you reach the page just click it and it will zoom and then can be moved around to read it.

    ComputerPowerUser.com Digital Edition

    Jim
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  10. #160


    Quote Originally Posted by Cly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    Personally I'm not really worried about wearing out my SSD from excessive write/rewrites, as I wouldn't even come close to 20GB/day.
    You should be worried about it. The write performance will go down by 50% or more very quickly. The 20GB/day figure is pie in the sky best case scenario before the chip outright goes caput.
    Sorry but you don't know what you are talking about bud. That was an issue in gen 1 ssd drives a few years ago, not in any modern ssd. There is nothing to worry about in terms of writes, you will wear out first.

    No need to take my word for it though, here is a 200 page thread over at xtreme that documents how much writes pretty much all ssd's can do. The sammy 830 is closing in on 3000 GB's write to the drive and still chugging along.

    SSD Write Endurance 25nm Vs 34nm
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