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  1. #131

    SSDs and defrag


    As a newbie to this forum I couldn't help noticing there has been a lot of discussion re SSD hard drives in this thread, which seems a bit odd relative to the thread title?

    Anyway, it has made for very interesting reading. On my PC I have a 50GB SSD for my OS, and a 1TB standard HD for storage.

    I never even thought about whether you should or shouldn't defrag an SSD hard drive, because when I bought it about 18 months ago, I was told by the vendor that I should just treat it like a normal HD. With that in mind I've had defrag set to auto defrag once a week ever since I bought it.

    I hope I haven't done any damage, but it seems to run pretty much the same as when I first installed it.

    Does anyone know of any benchmarks to establish definitively whether defrag helps or hinders speed wise?

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  2. #132


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by XFactor View Post
    So let me see if I've I'm reading you right. This means you can buy a stand alone installation disc for a full version of Mac OS X and install it on your home built PC?
    I once looked into that and no, not unless you have the required Intel hardware. You can't simply take the mac os disk and install it on a PC. You technically can, as those are called hackintoshes that use a modified image of the mac os to make it install on non-apple Kremlin Big Brother approved hardware.
    Thank you for that input, most interesting. This is a very wide reaching forum.

    One question. How would you know what Intel hardware to buy, or does Intel specify it works for Mac on their web site data?
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  3. #133


    Quote Originally Posted by XFactor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by XFactor View Post
    So let me see if I've I'm reading you right. This means you can buy a stand alone installation disc for a full version of Mac OS X and install it on your home built PC?
    I once looked into that and no, not unless you have the required Intel hardware. You can't simply take the mac os disk and install it on a PC. You technically can, as those are called hackintoshes that use a modified image of the mac os to make it install on non-apple Kremlin Big Brother approved hardware.
    Thank you for that input, most interesting. This is a very wide reaching forum.

    One question. How would you know what Intel hardware to buy, or does Intel specify it works for Mac on their web site data?
    Basically, if you have decent hardware (Intel Core 2 Duo and up), it is relatively easy to install OS X on a PC without using some cracked version of it.
    Bob Roche - YouTube this guy does alot of Mac stuff on PC
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  4. #134


    Quote Originally Posted by TerryE View Post
    Just for grins I'm tossing around the idea of running a Mac OS X in a VM (VMware Workstation) on Win7 x64 (AMD processor). Has anyone here done this, and if so, what was your experience? (Yes, I know it's not supported. This is for demonstration/informational purposes only.)

    (Quick edit: not trying to stray off-topic here! Sorry!)
    The AMD processor will be an issue without a hack. And all experience with virtualizing OSX leads to an abysmally slow VM. Usually in the ballpark of 5+ minutes to book.
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  5. #135


    Covington, La
    Posts : 1,184
    Windows 7 HP 64bit, Windows 8.1 Pro w/Media Center 64BIT


    Quote Originally Posted by XFactor View Post
    As a newbie to this forum I couldn't help noticing there has been a lot of discussion re SSD hard drives in this thread, which seems a bit odd relative to the thread title?

    Anyway, it has made for very interesting reading. On my PC I have a 50GB SSD for my OS, and a 1TB standard HD for storage.

    I never even thought about whether you should or shouldn't defrag an SSD hard drive, because when I bought it about 18 months ago, I was told by the vendor that I should just treat it like a normal HD. With that in mind I've had defrag set to auto defrag once a week ever since I bought it.

    I hope I haven't done any damage, but it seems to run pretty much the same as when I first installed it.

    Does anyone know of any benchmarks to establish definitively whether defrag helps or hinders speed wise?
    Read my post# 104 in this thread. Download and read the PDF I linked. Normal defrag utilities are designed for HDD and not SSD. Most newer SSD have their own optimizing software called Garbage Collection to take care of the SSD.

    This thread has covered 3 different subjects so far and 2 are off topic (SSD defrag and now Apple OS) and one poster has been banned. Most interesting thread on this forum.

    Jim
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  6. #136


    Quote Originally Posted by Phone Man View Post
    Read my post# 104 in this thread. Download and read the PDF I linked. Normal defrag utilities are designed for HDD and not SSD. Most newer SSD have their own optimizing software called Garbage Collection to take care of the SSD.

    This thread has covered 3 different subjects so far and 2 are off topic (SSD defrag and now Apple OS) and one poster has been banned. Most interesting thread on this forum.

    Jim
    Thank you for your input and the reference to your post. I'm already learning from this forum, but weirdly enough more about other general topics than Win8.

    The article you referred me to was most informative. I presume Diskkeeper is a software program designed to defrag SSDs the correct way? Would that be fair to say?
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  7. #137


    Posts : 636
    Windows 7/8


    Ack.. poor Poppa Bear. Probably had a bit too much of the Fosters before posting (I've don't that, it's never a good thing)

    Frankly I'll have to be upgrading, not sure when or how deeply (I have a lot of machines to care for). But really there is no choice.

    I would actually be considering jumping to Mac myself after what.. 25? 30? years of Microsoft loyalty. But I can't stomach Apples legal "war" and I too would really miss building my own systems. And though I use Linux daily, it's just SO not even on the radar for anything I do personally. Chrome OS's "everything is the cloud" mantra is completely dead on arrival (for me). So what's left? Hanging my head and saying "Yes Sir" to Microsoft. Something I've never once felt like I had to do before.

    Really feel like I'm being dragged around by the nose on this one and that not something I take to at all.
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  8. #138


    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    The AMD processor will be an issue without a hack. And all experience with virtualizing OSX leads to an abysmally slow VM. Usually in the ballpark of 5+ minutes to book.
    In other words, don't waste my time ... ... thanks for the feedback.
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  9. #139


    Tropical Island Pair a Dice
    Posts : 3,030
    Windows 8.1 Pro x64/ Windows 7 Ult x64


    Quote Originally Posted by crawfish View Post
    But this a forum where we talk about Windows 8 on the desktop.
    Actually this is a "Windows 8 Forum", and all aspects of Windows 8 including laptops and tablets/slates are acceptable.

    General observations.
    I hope everyone realizes that it is not possible for anyone to make an OS that is exactly what each individual wants. There are in the neighborhood of 1 billion people using Windows OSs.

    There are ways to customize all Windows OSs, if the customization you desire is not available then there are third party options.
    And, of coarse, the option to use any OS you prefer.

    So we all have choices, including letting your opinion be known, and everyone is entitled to their own.
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  10. #140


    Posts : 454
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    Quote Originally Posted by Dave76 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by crawfish View Post
    But this a forum where we talk about Windows 8 on the desktop.
    Actually this is a "Windows 8 Forum", and all aspects of Windows 8 including laptops and tablets/slates are acceptable.
    Actually, we've been talking quite specifically about Windows 8 on the desktop in this thread, and most threads in this forum have been concerned with the Windows 8 previews running on desktops. I don't draw a distinction between desktops and laptops unless it factors into the discussion somehow, and it doesn't in this case. The full exchange, which you clipped, was:

    The reason for this is that Windows 8 is targeted at tablets and phones, and those are primarily shutdown via hardware buttons.
    But this a forum where we talk about Windows 8 on the desktop. I'm not conceding anything to humor Microsoft's desperation at losing the mobile market.
    I was saying that I won't accept a compromised desktop OS to humor Microsoft's pursuit of the mobile market, and I am far from alone in that sentiment. BTW, there is a forum here called "Tablet and Touch" where I presume "tablets/slates" discussions take place, so even if I had been trying to shoo away such discussions as your clipping what I said out of context would seem to suggest (which I wasn't), there would indeed be a better place here to talk about those things.

    General observations.
    I hope everyone realizes that it is not possible for anyone to make an OS that is exactly what each individual wants. There are in the neighborhood of 1 billion people using Windows OSs.

    There are ways to customize all Windows OSs, if the customization you desire is not available then there are third party options.
    And, of coarse, the option to use any OS you prefer.

    So we all have choices, including letting your opinion be known, and everyone is entitled to their own.
    Yes, I think all that goes without saying. I was expressing my opinion when I described why I think certain design choices are bad. I was relating my experience when I talked about having no interest in certain third party options that were suggested. I'm not aware anyone has said you must use a certain OS; of course you have the option to use any OS you prefer. I'm not aware anyone has tried to limit anyone's choices WRT expressing opinions.
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