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  1. #1


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    Windows 8

    Just removed windows 8


    After running windows 8 RP sice it's released, I had to dump it. Not sure what went wrong, tried moving files to an external drive just to discover only 3 out of 25 were moved, the rest are gone. Tried to move files between internal drive, same thing, so disappear, only a couple actually moved. When I start moving files, it runs at a speed of 85 MB/s, but after a few mins, it drops down too 5 KB/s and the os keeps freezing. Taskmanager when it works, shows only 1% cpu usage, but 100% activity on disk drives, with nothing using it. So confused.

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    Must be a driver problem. Moving files is even faster than it was on Windows 7 for me. I get 8GB a minute from my main Win8 PC to my Win7 Media PC. Moving files on network drives works fine for me also.

    You might try using compatibility mode when installing the network drivers.
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  3. #3


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    Windows 8


    it can't be a driver problem, I have 3 internal sata drives, I was moving video files around to make room for the next part of the transcode. That is when I noticed after moving 25 videos from C: to F: that 22 of the files disappeared no errors. It took about 45 mins due to total size being about 30 gigs, and I only have 4.6 gigs that were actually moved, the rest was gone not in recycle bin either. I can't have stuff disappearing like that. So I just went back to server 2008 R2. And I'm getting about an 80% boost in hdd read write speed. Until I know this won't happen again, I won't be back to windows 8.

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    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    No idea what was going on there - we don't have enough info even to guess.

    Win8 RP is not quite the finished article. There are some strange bugs.

    There are also plenty of weird things that are not bugs - they are there deliberately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmb12177 View Post
    it can't be a driver problem, I have 3 internal sata drives, I was moving video files around to make room for the next part of the transcode. That is when I noticed after moving 25 videos from C: to F: that 22 of the files disappeared no errors. It took about 45 mins due to total size being about 30 gigs, and I only have 4.6 gigs that were actually moved, the rest was gone not in recycle bin either. I can't have stuff disappearing like that. So I just went back to server 2008 R2. And I'm getting about an 80% boost in hdd read write speed. Until I know this won't happen again, I won't be back to windows 8.

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    Considering that there are hardly any drivers made for Windows 8 I'd still have to go with it being a driver problem rather than a so called bug. I don't really care if you aren't willing to go back to Windows 8. You seemed to be asking what might have gone wrong and to my knowledge there are no problems moving files with Windows 8, deliberate my butt, it's a driver problem as should be expected.
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    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    I wasn't suggesting that particular issue is deliberate. I haven't any idea why you thought that.

    Merely pointing out there have been some weird decisions made by MS.

    Perhaps I should try to be more clear - not everyone here has English as their native language.
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  7. #7


    Posts : 1,925
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Microsoft would never deliberately put anything in Windows that causes file loss. Filesystem stability is probably their single most important thing, because without that, the OS is a goner.

    Therefore, your problem must be related to something not in Windows control.

    Out of curiosity, are you using any third party virus protection software?
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  8. #8


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    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Microsoft would never deliberately put anything in Windows that causes file loss. Filesystem stability is probably their single most important thing, because without that, the OS is a goner.

    Therefore, your problem must be related to something not in Windows control.

    Out of curiosity, are you using any third party virus protection software?
    Of course Microsoft wouldn't do it deliberately, but they do have a history of doing it accidentally and not caring to fix it, and when you say "must be related to something not in Windows control" and go on to ask about "third party virus protection", you seem to be saying it can't be a Microsoft problem. I'm pretty sure you can't really mean that, but I'll never forget losing a partition circa 1995 due to this bug:

    Disk Administrator Corrupts Partitions

    That one they fixed. This next one they did not (Anyone - Is it fixed in Windows 8?), and since I wrote about it the other day in detail, I'm just gonna post the whole thing again:

    Since you are using multiple drives, it's worth mentioning that installing Windows has been dangerous in the presence of multiple drives ever since Vista with integrated SP1 came out, and I don't know if Microsoft has fixed this in Windows HE. I reported the bug using the channels available to me at the time and also early in the Windows 7 beta. Many months after Windows 7 was released, and a couple of years after I reported the bug, Microsoft finally documented things in this KB article:

    The disk drive numbers may not correspond as expected to the SATA channel numbers when you set up Windows Vista, Windows Server 2008, Windows Server 2008 R2, or Windows 7 on a computer that has multiple SATA or RAID disks

    When you set up Windows Vista, Windows Server 2008, Windows Server 2008 R2, or Windows 7 on a computer that has multiple hard disks, you may experience this problem. Because you expect the disk assignment numbers to match the corresponding SATA or RAID channel numbers, you may set up Windows Vista, Windows Server 2008, Windows Server 2008 R2, or Windows 7 on the wrong drive, or you may even try to format the incorrect drive partition. Therefore, you may lose important data.

    Of course, Microsoft's "resolution" is crap. To be safe, you should disconnect all but the target drive when you install Windows. I thought that was beyond ridiculous. Microsoft did not. They said it would require a "design change" to fix, and so would not be fixed. The funny thing is, the same computer using the same drives connected in the same way had no problems with the original Vista or Windows XP before it, so clearly Microsoft broke something.
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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    I think you're entirely off base with your second issue. This is a problem with your expectation, not with the OS itself. It's doing it's job as designed, but since you expect something different from how it's designed, you think it's a bug. It's not. Microsoft calls these kinds of issues "problems" because you are having a problem with this. The KB article is merely there to document it.

    This is not a bug, nor is it a flaw in the OS. YOU make the decision which causes you to lose files, not the OS. Could Microsoft do more to help you identify which drive is correct? Sure, but it's not a file corruption bug that causes the problem, it's the incompetence of the person trying to install the OS. I know, because I too have had some difficulty in figuring out which drive is which, but it didn't take me long to figure it out.
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    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Hi there
    NOT losing data is perhaps the MOST important thing in an OS -- even more than security or anything else so I'd be really surprised if the OS did actually lose your data -- you could have perhaps inadvertently replied to a keyboard sroke or cancelled a "MOVE" file request mid way through the operation etc etc.

    I am 100% (no make that 10,000%) certain that if this had remotely occurred for even 5 users the fact would have been reported all over the web --to say nothing of the market boyos at APPLE smacking their lips with glee at the prospect of a new advertising campain emphasising -- USE US YOUR DATA IS SAFE -- !!.

    There are probably loads of perfectly good reasons why people might want to revert back to W8 == however I don't believe DATA LOSS caused by the OS itself is one of them.

    In any case I don't even suspect that drivers are a problem --I haven't had to install a specific Disk driver on Windows since XP days --and I only had to on XP as SATA wasn't available on the base install or even the SP3 version - - you had to slipstream the SATA drivers on to your XP system before installing it (or you'd get message "No Hard Disks found").

    The problem was either "User Error" or a hardware defect. I just DO NOT BELIEVE any other cause with one possible exception -- unlikely but conceivably possible -- you got a piece of rogue malware into your system.

    cheers
    jimbo
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