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Windows 8 -- Not the problem -- The PHONES are

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    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Windows 8 -- Not the problem -- The PHONES are


    Hi there
    Ms is barking up the wrong tree trying to get Nokia on board -- Android for SAMSUNG and HTC and of course APPLE's own Iphone have now relagated Nokia to not even "Also Ran" status.

    I don't know ANYBODY who would even LOOK at a Nokia phone any more --never mind about even THINKING about actually buying one.

    So why would Ms go after this market -- SAMSUNG and HTC --great phones from both companies -- and they aren't going to switch from Android to Windows.

    Nokia is sinking faster than the Titanic and even with huge cuts they are unlikely to survive for too much longer (sorry Finns -- they used to be a great company who virtually "invented" the affordable portable mobile phone).

    The markets seems to agree too.

    BBC News - Nokia cuts another 10,000 jobs as losses deepen

    Cheers
    jimbo

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    Currently, Windows 8 has little to do with Windows Phone. They share some elements, but they're an entirely different code base. this may change over time as WinRT seeps into the phone market.

    Nokia is the third largest handset maker in the world. That's nothing to sneeze at, and they exceed HTC's sales by quite a bit. Yes, their stock performance has dropped through the floor, but that's largely a result of PERCEPTION rather than a strong analysis of Nokia's finances.

    The new Nokia Lumia is getting a lot of good reviews. Hell, even Steve Wosniak (the creator of the Apple II and major Apple icon) says the lumia is his second favorite device (behind the iPhone of course).

    Nokia is in a transition period. They will weather the storm, and come out to a strong outlook.
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    As a kid even though I didn't know much about phones Nokia phones always seemed to have the best reception and were nice to look at. I actually want a lumia. I haven't really tried out the windows phones(besides trying them out at stores) but I would say they could definitely make the UI look a little better and better use of typography basically the same thing as windows 8. But I would say if I had to buy a phone of all 3 I would prefer one made by Nokia as their lumia was are nice and sleek. I own a HTC phone at the moment and it's horrible. But that could just be person experience. My first samsung phone was nice but the one I had prior to the HTC broke from sliding it up too much. Black screen not that the phone actually broke into pieces. I think if Nokia can make good phones it would be the better one to choose to use to market their brand. Also of all the phone companies it seems only Nokia really actually market's their windows phone. But yes it might sink but I hope not because of the 3 brands Nokia seems to be the one who is actively marketing their product and the operating system. I have seen one HTC windows phone commercial and none for samsung at all. This is my guess.
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    I've owned quite a few Nokia phones over the years and all were very durable, high quality items with outstanding reception and call audio quality. I wouldn't hesitate for a second to get the Lumia with Windows Metro IF MS decides to all the option for desktop users to have the default boot to desktop everytime.
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    I'm not sure Nokia will sink, the Lumia range is selling quite well, feature phones are still going down, so I think this whole thing is just restructuring.
    I'm not saying things are looking fantastic, but I dont think its going to sink, but then I like Metro, so what would I know.
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    Hi there
    look at this

    NOKIA IMPLODES taking Ms Mobile platform desires (aka Windows 8 ??) with it.

    Nokia Implodes

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    Well, ignoring the point that the article's author is a bit of an AAPL and Samsung backer, the article misses some key points. Nokia really no longer makes an OS - they make devices and pretty much ship Microsoft's OS. I don't know if 10,000 people were working on OS development, etc, but this isn't as bad as it would seem. Nokia needs to shed costs and become more efficient as a device manufacturer, and to do so they needed to do 3 things - one, become focused on one platform (they chose WinPhone over their in-house OS); two, consolidate device hardware, move into emerging markets and get back into the NA market (they chose to do this by making low, mid, and upper-mid-level devices that all share similar internal components); and three, shed costs (by now making fewer hardware designs and no longer needing to write and maintain their own OS and application stacks, they don't need the number of employees necessary to do this).

    Nokia needs to save themselves, and Symbian and their trajectory previously was when the slide started. Moving to Microsoft's OS (rather than Android) was a choice to save money and get support from the vendor (rather than being a support and development point), but they needed to do (much) more. Shedding labor, if you can survive at the levels you will shed to, is a very wise way to try and stop a freefall.

    We don't know if it will work, but it was ultimately necessary (and probably somewhat necessitated by their change in business model as well).
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    Well, Nokia is, as already said, the third largest phone makers in the world. They were the company that built phones of great durability and were the ones that were there before the iphone.

    Having said that, they are tanking, due to android and iphone. They have their Symbian OS, but that hasn't become mainstream at all. Nokia is in a position where they need something new and fresh and Microsoft needs a phone manufacturer that has build quality and marketing strength, like the model they have with Windows.

    As for Windows 8, that has NOTHING to do with Windows Phone. Two different beasts. Right now Windows Phone 7 is off Compact Embedded kernel, while Windows 8 is NT kernel. Windows Phone 8 will merge the two kernels together. Notably, networking stack from what I've read.

    And as for HTC and Samsung, bleh. Seriously, HTC phones look SO similar to one another, it's honestly gross. An HTC Trophy running Windows Phone looks like an android phone and can be confused for one. The HTC HD7 running Windows Phone can be confused for a similar looking android phone too. Samsung, they're nicer with design. But they're ok. Nokia though, being a Finnish company with design as one of their trades, can make a phone for Windows Phone like no other. The Lumia 800 was marketed as the first Windows Phone because when you look at that compared to the rest, that kind of rings true.

    The same goes for the Lumia 900. It's built for Windows Phone. They use their ClearBlack screens that make the Live Tiles of Windows Phone just pop. It's fantastic! You see NOTHING other than the tiles and the color and the content. You honestly can't tell where the screen ends and the phone begins.

    Yes, the platform isn't doing well, as of now. The Lumia 900 has got to be the most popular phone running Windows Phone. Even days before it was released, it was on preorder on the amazon.com and literally a couple days before release, it was the NUMBER ONE most popular phone. I think a month later, it still was in the top five in 5th place. The word is being spread, not only is there a phone maker dedicated for Windows Phone, there is now a cellular carrier putting their marketing oomph behind Windows Phone: att. Their store reps all use one, the even have a section in their stores from what I've seen dedicated for Windows Phone. Even when you walk in, there usually will be a banner showing off the Lumia 900 as "beautifully different."

    It's something new, something fresh. After having one since April, I can't even begin to imagine using android, even the latest version, or an iphone that will never change, EVER. android isn't a phone, it's a minicomputing device that happens to have a phone built in, and iphone isn't focused whatsoever on the PHONE part but on apps. Windows Phone is the only platform that does something that now apple is trying to do with ios 6: put people first.

    And that is the best part.
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    I really wish I could get my Nokia phone back from the early 2000's that lasted nearly a week on a charge. This constant charging on the new phones is a pain in the butt. Of course, having the web, applications and gmail is a real nice bonus on the new phones. Guess I would miss that a little bit if I took a major step backwards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    I really wish I could get my Nokia phone back from the early 2000's that lasted nearly a week on a charge. This constant charging on the new phones is a pain in the butt. Of course, having the web, applications and gmail is a real nice bonus on the new phones. Guess I would miss that a little bit if I took a major step backwards.
    Oh I know! Luckily though, I'm going to build in a power station into my car so I can have my phone charging at any time without any drain on the car's battery as well as some additional power outlets. Time to get creative....
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