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I've had a lot to say about Windows 8, but here are my final thoughts

  1. #21


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    Again lets stop with the talking points claiming that the Windows 8 "haters" don't like Metro.

    NOT TRUE when it is used in the proper environment, it is quite good (tablets and phones) but the bottom line is that no matter how you spin it or which talking points MS tries to use. Metro UI is NOT a worthwhile environment for desktop and laptop users in general.

    If MS is so confident in Metro then why not let the customer decide which UI to choose as the default for their device no matter which one it is, the fact that they are forcing Metro on all users as the default tells anyone with some grey matter that they are NOT confident in Metro and believe that they must force it. A bad business model.

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  2. #22


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    Legacy, you seem to speak as if you are speaking for everyone. You make claims that you can't back up. You state ridiculous conclusions.

    Did Microsoft "lack confidence" in the Office Ribbon UI? Certainly not, yet they didn't make it optional. It was accepted, and people moved on.

    Microsoft is not making it optional because this is the way Windows is going, period, end of story. They are extremely confident in it, and they aren't hedging their bets. That speaks strongly.

    Now, I am as much of a doubter of the benefits of Metro as anyone, but I'm willing to give it a shot. If it doesn't work out, then it's not really a big deal. Windows 7 still exists. And chances are, it will be around until long after Windows 9 is out the door.

    Microsoft is not changing their mind on this. It's way too late for that. Continuing to whine about it is just being.. well.. whiney. There is nothing you can do to change this outcome, and certainly whining on a forum is not going to help.

    Frankly, I'm sick of hearing people complain about this. Windows 8 is what it is, and if you don't like it. Don't use it. I fail to get what you think you're going to accomplish by complaining to people who have nothing to do with the development of windows.

    You certainly have a right to speak your mind, but i'd appreciate it if you didn't repeat yourself constantly. You've made your point, repeatedly, and nothing has or will change. What exactly do think is going to happen?
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  3. #23


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Legacy, you seem to speak as if you are speaking for everyone. You make claims that you can't back up. You state ridiculous conclusions.

    Did Microsoft "lack confidence" in the Office Ribbon UI? Certainly not, yet they didn't make it optional. It was accepted, and people moved on.

    Microsoft is not making it optional because this is the way Windows is going, period, end of story. They are extremely confident in it, and they aren't hedging their bets. That speaks strongly.

    Now, I am as much of a doubter of the benefits of Metro as anyone, but I'm willing to give it a shot. If it doesn't work out, then it's not really a big deal. Windows 7 still exists. And chances are, it will be around until long after Windows 9 is out the door.

    Microsoft is not changing their mind on this. It's way too late for that. Continuing to whine about it is just being.. well.. whiney. There is nothing you can do to change this outcome, and certainly whining on a forum is not going to help.

    Frankly, I'm sick of hearing people complain about this. Windows 8 is what it is, and if you don't like it. Don't use it. I fail to get what you think you're going to accomplish by complaining to people who have nothing to do with the development of windows.

    You certainly have a right to speak your mind, but i'd appreciate it if you didn't repeat yourself constantly. You've made your point, repeatedly, and nothing has or will change. What exactly do think is going to happen?

    Actually I am speaking for at least 50% of MS customers and/ or potential customers. Those people do not like Metro UI for all environments. A 50% + dislike rate for a yet unreleased product like this is a very dangerous thing, even you'd have to agree with that.
    Ah, the voice of arrogance, it usually kills businesses when they fail to listen to their best customers.

    What's the matter...MS doesn't like looking at stubbornness in the mirror?

    In the end the customer always wins.
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  4. #24


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    Quote Originally Posted by legacy7955 View Post
    Again lets stop with the talking points claiming that the Windows 8 "haters" don't like Metro.

    NOT TRUE when it is used in the proper environment, it is quite good (tablets and phones) but the bottom line is that no matter how you spin it or which talking points MS tries to use. Metro UI is NOT a worthwhile environment for desktop and laptop users in general.

    If MS is so confident in Metro then why not let the customer decide which UI to choose as the default for their device no matter which one it is, the fact that they are forcing Metro on all users as the default tells anyone with some grey matter that they are NOT confident in Metro and believe that they must force it. A bad business model.
    Not necessarily, Windows isn't the only environment that has metro design in it. It's not really a matter if Microsoft isn't sure about it (I bet there is some concern since it is very different than the norm, but metro design is more of philosophy to them) but it's really more about the "one UI to rule them all." See, Microsoft seems to be consolidating the company down into Xbox, Windows, and Windows Phone. They want those branches to extend to one another. They want those devices to work together, act together, and be used together. They want the UI to have the same design and feeling to it.

    In the end, it could be the most brilliant, clever, and down right awesome thing Microsoft has done. They have the potential to make a huge change to the way we interact with technology, and the metro design will be there to do that.
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  5. #25


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    Where exactly do you get this 50% number from? I think you made it up. If you're basing it on the poll from here, this forum isn't exactly a representative population of the entire Windows user base. It's kind of ironic to complain about arrogance when you claim to speak for so many without any real evidence to back it up.

    I doubt if even 10% of users will have any strong opinion about 8. (see, I can make up a number as well, difference is I state that this is my opinion) Most users are just that. Users. They use whatever it is they get, and they get their jobs done. Only a small percentage of people care much about the operating system at all.

    Microsoft weathered the UAC thing. It was a painful step that had to be taken, and people moved on. The same will be true of Metro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Where exactly do you get this 50% number from? I think you made it up. If you're basing it on the poll from here, this forum isn't exactly a representative population of the entire Windows user base. It's kind of ironic to complain about arrogance when you claim to speak for so many without any real evidence to back it up.

    I doubt if even 10% of users will have any strong opinion about 8. (see, I can make up a number as well, difference is I state that this is my opinion) Most users are just that. Users. They use whatever it is they get, and they get their jobs done. Only a small percentage of people care much about the operating system at all.

    Microsoft weathered the UAC thing. It was a painful step that had to be taken, and people moved on. The same will be true of Metro.

    Thing is....I DON'T WANT M$ to fail, because Windows 8 like most of their other products have been pretty good with an exception or two, but it's hard not to dislike a company that is hell bent on not giving the customer the choice of how to use it.
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    This thread should be re-titled: Final fantasy thoughts of Win8 lovers!

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    In the end, it could be the most brilliant, clever, and down right awesome thing Microsoft has done. They have the potential to make a huge change to the way we interact with technology, and the metro design will be there to do that.
    Yeah and they might invent cold fusion for nuclear power!

    And aviators might control their planes with thoughts! See Firefox movie (Clint Eastwood)

    And dentists might implant a micro chip into your tooth that downloads info from the ethernet directly into your brain!

    And who knows, maybe we'll be able to type on a touch pad wiith our eyes closed by seeing the document with psychic vision!

    And 30 or 40 pages of Tiles might be smaller than an alpha numeric text start menu ... and quicker to navigate!

    And pigs might fly!

    C'mon Coke Bottle, you've been watching so many sci-fi movies you're beginning to believe your own press! Granted you can do all that stuff with a bong or magic mushrooms!

    In summary: Win8 is simply a piece of cyber space junk advertising SPAM from Microsoft aimed at the Touch Phone/Tablet market.

    And in particular those yuppies who need a touch phone as an appendage to their ear to be on Twitter, FaceBook, YouTube ... ad nauseum!; and for the prestige-image of the would-be-if-they-could-be execs with Tablets, (& maybe laptops), with them wherever they go.

    I actually know one woman who is a PhD in child psychology, and she finds her free tablet, provided by a government grant, to be invaluable when she's at seminars and dissertations. She uses it to switch off to boring speakers by listening to music and playing games. Now that's progress!

    Heck, I thought they must have been life support medical devices they're so indispensable already!
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  8. #28


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Where exactly do you get this 50% number from? I think you made it up. If you're basing it on the poll from here, this forum isn't exactly a representative population of the entire Windows user base. .
    You right it's not representative, it's a Windows 8 forum so you have to expect to find more peoples who like Windows 8, on many of others forums I'm member, It's about 100% of peoples who dislike Windows 8, on Hard OCP ( hard forum) 164,482 members, no one as say something positive about Windows 8 until now.
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  9. #29


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    Quote Originally Posted by goldrunout View Post
    Once you learn that you can pin Desktop items to the Start Screen, things become a LOT, LOT, LOT, better than before. Why some things aren't there by default is a valid question, as I'd like to be able to have those things there, as do I bet a lot of people.
    That is not a solution! Switching between these two environment is unpleasant and slow, and if I want to look for a program I don't need a fullscreen research.

    Now, let's talk about Metro apps. The first thing I want to discuss is your complaint over how the apps are full screen. I'm pretty sure I seen a poll one time (not sure what site) that asked about PC usage, specifically how many windows were open, on screen, at the same time. The resounding majority said they, most of the time, they only have one screen open, working with one program, in full screen.
    But weren't Americans so fond of individual freedom? The fact that the majority behaves in a particular way does not mean that my experience has to be limited/uniformed.
    My second point about Metro apps is the second word in that phrase, apps. People love apps. Nowadays, especially with the general public, the question about a consumer electronic is "does it have/how are the/how many: apps." There's an app craze. People don't even realize that it's short for application, they just know that app = cool/fun. That's where Windows 8 will attract, because it has an app store.
    I don't care about names, people do? Fine, call them apps, the problems with them is that they are NOT customizable, and they work one at a time. If they care so much about words than they should not cal this Windows: this is not Windows at all, they want fullscreen and a single layer of programs(/apps/applications/executables, call them the way you want), where are the Windows?

    Using desktop is not a solution, it leaves you out of innovation and leaves you with an unconsistent environment that doesn't benefit of the new features. Problem is, nowadays MS think innovation lies in doing what apple do and limit user experience, so that everyone behaves the way they want
    Not from my experience, switching to the Start Screen is just as fast as opening the start menu.
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  10. #30


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    Quote Originally Posted by poppa bear View Post
    This thread should be re-titled: Final fantasy thoughts of Win8 lovers!

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    In the end, it could be the most brilliant, clever, and down right awesome thing Microsoft has done. They have the potential to make a huge change to the way we interact with technology, and the metro design will be there to do that.
    Yeah and they might invent cold fusion for nuclear power!

    And aviators might control their planes with thoughts! See Firefox movie (Clint Eastwood)

    And dentists might implant a micro chip into your tooth that downloads info from the ethernet directly into your brain!

    And who knows, maybe we'll be able to type on a touch pad wiith our eyes closed by seeing the document with psychic vision!

    And 30 or 40 pages of Tiles might be smaller than an alpha numeric text start menu ... and quicker to navigate!

    And pigs might fly!

    C'mon Coke Bottle, you've been watching so many sci-fi movies you're beginning to believe your own press! Granted you can do all that stuff with a bong or magic mushrooms!

    In summary: Win8 is simply a piece of cyber space junk advertising SPAM from Microsoft aimed at the Touch Phone/Tablet market.

    And in particular those yuppies who need a touch phone as an appendage to their ear to be on Twitter, FaceBook, YouTube ... ad nauseum!; and for the prestige-image of the would-be-if-they-could-be execs with Tablets, (& maybe laptops), with them wherever they go.

    I actually know one woman who is a PhD in child psychology, and she finds her free tablet, provided by a government grant, to be invaluable when she's at seminars and dissertations. She uses it to switch off to boring speakers by listening to music and playing games. Now that's progress!

    Heck, I thought they must have been life support medical devices they're so indispensable already!
    Uh hu! Keep talking!
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