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    Put the $%*!# Start menu back - former director of Mac Platform Market


    Interesting article, I don't share his view that Win8 looks nice, nevertheless, it is well thought out and argued:

    Mobile Opportunity: Fear and Loathing and Windows 8


    Productivity and information creation tasks are compromised to make the OS more attractive for content consumption

    I've spent the last several weeks asking myself why Microsoft chose to remove some Windows 7 features and exaggerate the prospects for Windows 8.

    There are many possible explanations. It could just be arrogance -- they believe they can force customers to do what they want. It could be an excess of designer zeal -- designers always think people will fall in love with their creations once they try them.

    But it could also be insecurity. To me, it feels like Microsoft is in a quiet panic.

    If the Windows users are enthusiastic, Microsoft prospers. If they're passive, Microsoft suffers. If they turn negative. Microsoft dies a gruesome death. So you'd think that Microsoft would do everything in its power to make current Windows users feel comfortable and excited about moving to Windows 8. Instead, they're being confronted with deliberate incompatibilities, indifference toward their needs, and a preview campaign for Windows 8 that has already disenchanted some of the most enthusiastic Windows users.

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    Greed and iPanic


    I think that it's greed and iPanic.
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    I think it's a fight for survival and the investors.
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    I think that you mean speculators, not investors.

    You know, the guys that crashed the World's economy.
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    Yeah well cant argue against that one.
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    OMG! I read half his article, then got to the video, I stomached half of that, and I had to close it out! There's somewhat of a learning curve to any new OS and any new product. I believe one should one should learn a new product at least to the 8 on a 10 scale before one critiques the product. Mercedes-Benz did make a car that had a joy stick instead of the steering wheel, gas pedal, and the break. Interesting concept to say the least. I should learn how to drive it, then critique on it.

    There's one thing I have to say to Michael....Learn more about 8 then use SHORTCUT KEYS!!!! Forget the all-unproductive, make-our-hand-fall-asleep, and carpal-tunnel-syndrome-potential mouse! They invented this thing called a keyboard.

    When 8 boots up to the startup screen push ENTER!
    When it reaches the login screen, type your password, and push ENTER!
    When it enters the start screen, start typing the name of an app, doc, pic, folder, or whatever you want to use, and push what? ENTER!!!
    So there's no start menu on the desktop. Push Windows key at any time! It takes you to the Metro start page. Repeat the above step.

    For your convenience so you don't have to take the time to open the HELP file to learn something, I've listed SHORTCUT KEYS below. Some of them are probably familiar to you.

    If you do take the time to open the Help file, paste this in search [ Mouse and keyboard: What's new in Windows 8 Release Preview ],
    pick the first option, select all, copy, paste to a doc app, and save a copy for yourself.

    Open the charms (Search, Share, Start, Devices, and Settings).
    All charms: Windows logo key+C
    Search charm: Windows logo key+Q
    Share charm: Windows logo key+H
    Start charm: Windows logo key
    Devices charm: Windows logo key+K
    Settings charm: Windows logo key+I

    Search your PC (apps, settings, and files), the web, or within an app.
    If you’re on Start, just start typing your search term.
    If you want to see a list of all apps on your PC, right-click the Start screen, and then click All apps.
    Search within apps or find an app: Windows logo key+Q
    Search settings: Windows logo key+W
    Search files: Windows logo key+F
    Go to Start: Windows logo key
    Get to commands and context menus: Windows logo key+Z
    Use Tab or arrows keys to highlight things, and then press the space bar or Enter.
    Right-click in open space for more general commands, like New and Refresh.
    Right-click items (like a photos, app tiles, and email messages) to see commands related to that item.
    Switch between recently used apps: Windows logo key+Tab
    Snap an app to see two apps at the same time: Windows logo key+Period
    Point to the upper-left corner. When the app appears, drag it to snap the app to either side of the screen.
    You can also point to the upper-left corner and then move the pointer down to see a list of apps you've used recently. Click and drag the app you want to snap.
    Notes
    •The Start screen can't be snapped.
    •The desktop is treated as a single app.
    • Your screen resolution must be 1366 x 768 to snap apps. To check this setting open Screen Resolution in Control Panel
    Open the desktop: Windows logo key+D
    Zoom in or out: Ctrl+Plus sign to zoom in
    Ctrl+Minus sign to zoom out
    On Start, use the magnify Icon in the lower-right corner of Start in the lower-right corner or Ctrl+Scrollwheel
    Close an app: Alt+F4
    Shut down: 1. Press Ctrl+Alt+Del.
    2. Use the Tab key to move to the Power icon. A list of shutdown options appears.
    3. Use the up or down arrow keys to get to the option you want.
    4. Press Enter.

    Have a good day
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    This:
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Learn more about 8 then use SHORTCUT KEYS!!!! Forget the all-unproductive, make-our-hand-fall-asleep, and carpal-tunnel-syndrome-potential mouse! They invented this thing called a keyboard.
    and this:

    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    When it enters the start screen, start typing the name of an app, doc, pic, folder, or whatever you want to use, and push what? ENTER!!!
    go against the entire Metro concept. The purpose of Metro to get you away from the keyboard more than any previous OS. I can't think of a more convoluted way of selecting a program than typing on a screen of icons. This is progress? Not just that, but not many would know how to do that unless they were told, or messed around and found out by accident or luck or process of elimination, etc. Is it easy to learn? Of course it's easy. That's not the point. The point is that there is way too much in Metro that's hidden. The fact that you have to explain this stuff (and more) to people is yet another sign of terrible design.
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    I think it's interesting that a former apple employee thinks the metro design is cool and sleek. Hmm....

    Steve Wozniak has a Nokia Lumia 900 running Windows Phone 7 and absolutely adores it. He says it's his number two device and is far better than his droid x moto 4.0 vanilla razr extreme edge phone. He even said the interface design of metro was like "Microsoft reincarnated steve jobs and designed it."

    I've also heard some hard core apple even think it's pretty different and cool and modern.
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    I hear you, Colonel, but is not Metro designed more for touch to use across a variety of devices? Isn't that what M$ is trying to accomplish with 8? But, if one is using a PC with no touch, is not the keyboard a much more effective device to use to navigate than the mouse? Perhaps I'm being partial because I hate the mouse. I upgraded to a M$ Arc thinking I would enjoy the mouse again to no avail. All in all, I use more keyboard than anything to navigate on the PC in 8. I'm also thinking of upgrading to a touch screen as a primary screen and using my current as a second now that I have 8.

    Also, I hear you on the learning curve. I will stress again, There's somewhat of a learning curve to any new OS and any new product.

    Bottom line, one doesn't have to learn all the shortcut keys to get around. Just a few.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Travis View Post
    This:
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Learn more about 8 then use SHORTCUT KEYS!!!! Forget the all-unproductive, make-our-hand-fall-asleep, and carpal-tunnel-syndrome-potential mouse! They invented this thing called a keyboard.
    and this:

    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    When it enters the start screen, start typing the name of an app, doc, pic, folder, or whatever you want to use, and push what? ENTER!!!
    go against the entire Metro concept. The purpose of Metro to get you away from the keyboard more than any previous OS. I can't think of a more convoluted way of selecting a program than typing on a screen of icons. This is progress? Not just that, but not many would know how to do that unless they were told, or messed around and found out by accident or luck or process of elimination, etc. Is it easy to learn? Of course it's easy. That's not the point. The point is that there is way too much in Metro that's hidden. The fact that you have to explain this stuff (and more) to people is yet another sign of terrible design.
    It took me a month to realise that my iPad could multitask and use a 4 finger swipe to change Apps. Even longer to find out that my Apps weren't closing down even after closing down the iPad.
    There is an actual book to learn IOS which is supposedly easy to use.
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