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Time for a change

  1. #1

    Time for a change


    Been using Win8 RP for about a week now and have decided to air my views. I have to say that I'm rather impressed but (and there's always a but with MS products) there are a few problems that after the amount of time/effort/money spent should really have been eradicated. These are:

    1. Clock - why is the only clock available on the Desktop. Wouldn't it be neater to have a clock on full screen apps.
    2. Users - this has been a problem for all versions of windows including 8. Why do MS insist that your first user be an
    Administrator. This makes the PC infinitely more insecure as changes to the registry or system files are just a click away.
    3. Customisation of the Start Menu - wtf

    There are other things but most of them are just about getting used to the new interface but, my young children have used it infrequently over the week and have become almost at one with it already.

    CW

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  2. #2


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    1) It's not. For instance, if you bring up the charms bar, there's a clock. This works, even in full screen apps. There are lots of other places as well.

    2) If the first user were not an administrator, nobody could be an administrator. That just seems silly. How would you create an administrator if there were not administrative accounts?

    3) I don't understand this question. What kind of customization are you talking about? What is so WTF about it?
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  3. #3


    They seem to have decided that no one wants the clock in their face. Windows key + c will show it for you.
    Even a user can access the registry, and it is not beyond even a low quality hacker to be able to interfere with the system files/folders, even through a user.. But a password, whilst it can be hacked, helps a little.
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  4. #4


    Redmond
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    Not only that, but for #2, there's UAC - even an administrator has to provide his or her permission for system-level tasks to be executed at high priority. The first user being an administrator is actually "best practice" - the inbox "Administrator" account should be disabled, and another account with administrative privileges should be created and used for just that purpose. Additional accounts should then be created, as regular users, for day to day work. I'd agree Microsoft could do that as part of the OOBE, but that's another discussion entirely.
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    The main reason why the first account is an administrator account falls along UAC and Family Security features of 8. Normally, when you add a user account, yours should be an admin since you're the one controlling it. But I think generally, you're the main admin in 7, other than the built in admin account. When you add a said user account, like for your kids, Windows asks you if this is a child's account from where you can actually monitor and limit your child's PC usage. I think, not sure, you might need a Microsoft account for that. I maybe wrong though.
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    But for the Start Screen customization, I feel it's limited. In the Consumer Preview, there was a utility that let you change EVERYTHING about the Start Screen. I had a black background and cool blue tiles....

    Right now, it's limited, but I'm looking out for an updated utility that does that in the Release Preview. My bet is that by the final RTM release, the Start Screen will be able to be customized like that.

    But in the mean time, you can pin the crap out of the Start Screen! I have my libraries pinned, some Desktop apps, and some games pinned and they're in label groups too.
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  7. #7


    Right ok the clock is there but I like the clock to be visible at all times but maybe that is just me.

    As for #2 Windows always makes an Administrator account (called administrator) on first installation, but then hides this account from view. So why make the next account (i.e. the first user account that is visible) administrator as well. This makes no sense. The reason why I think that all accounts, other than the initial Administrator account should be limited is that most people do not fully understand what accounts are and give no thought to security at all. These people need to be protected from themselves as they will probably set up only one account which the whole family uses; and that means that the whole family can install programs, mess with system files without even providing a password to do so.
    I for one do not want my daughter who is 8 downloading from a link in her favourite kids gaming site and being able to install it.
    This idea does not matter to me because I set things up correctly but for your average computer user it gives them at least a first line of defence, even if they don't know or understand it.
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    I think right now 8 does that with the user accounts because I remember a blog post by Microsoft detailing user accounts and family safety features...

    Keeping your family safer with Windows 8 - Building Windows 8 - Site Home - MSDN Blogs

    This is the blog post about that.
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  9. #9


    Hafnarfjörđur IS
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    1) It's not. For instance, if you bring up the charms bar, there's a clock. This works, even in full screen apps. There are lots of other places as well.

    2) If the first user were not an administrator, nobody could be an administrator. That just seems silly. How would you create an administrator if there were not administrative accounts?

    3) I don't understand this question. What kind of customization are you talking about? What is so WTF about it?

    Hi there
    with Linux you actually have to logon as ROOT or use SUDO with a root password to get admin account.

    IMO Windows should have the same facility -- you logon as a "bog standard" user and then use something equiv to sudo to get super user rights.

    shouldn't be impossible to implement in windows.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  10. #10


    Redmond
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    That's basically what UAC allows (amongst other things), although having a *second* admin account (in the event you cannot log onto one of the two accounts) is "best practice" for that reason.

    User Account Control (UAC) - Change Settings in Windows 8
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