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Touch is NOT the "near" future of computing. Keyboard & mouse is.

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    Touch is NOT the "near" future of computing. Keyboard & mouse is.


    To all those who keep on spouting the talking point that "touch" is the future of computing...
    In fact is clearly is NOT. At least for the next half century is isn't.

    As far as we can tell NOTHING is more efficient than the traditional keyboard and mouse for entering data, it is indisputable.

    Perhaps in the following century there will be bionics that will allow those that want to compromise their bodies to use mere thought to transfer that data to a computer, but that is too far down the road to be concerned with now and even the near future, until then the rational, logical and practical issues mean that touch will not be the future except for playing with games or light texting on an WinPhone or Tablet.

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    In 50 years, the keyboard will still remain. The mouse won't. We've been using a QWERTY keyboard since the age of type writers. We've used computers with a keyboard until the mouse came into the game more than 25 years ago. It's not going to last a long time because if you have a UI that takes advantage of touch input, much like how the GUI took advantage of the mouse, it's gone. Not only that, there's gesture input as well...

    Call it a change to how we interact with our PCs...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    In 50 years, the keyboard will still remain. The mouse won't. We've been using a QWERTY keyboard since the age of type writers. We've used computers with a keyboard until the mouse came into the game more than 25 years ago. It's not going to last a long time because if you have a UI that takes advantage of touch input, much like how the GUI took advantage of the mouse, it's gone. Not only that, there's gesture input as well...

    Call it a change to how we interact with our PCs...
    I can tell you as an experienced user that I detest the touch pads on lap tops because they do not give the positive feel that a mouse/scroll wheel gives. The tactile feel of the touch pad is inferior. It is less ergonomic, that cannot be disputed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    In 50 years, the keyboard will still remain. The mouse won't. We've been using a QWERTY keyboard since the age of type writers. We've used computers with a keyboard until the mouse came into the game more than 25 years ago. It's not going to last a long time because if you have a UI that takes advantage of touch input, much like how the GUI took advantage of the mouse, it's gone. Not only that, there's gesture input as well...

    Call it a change to how we interact with our PCs...
    As long as people need to type, physical keyboards and mice will remain the predominant interface, because touch is too imprecise to be useful except for the coarsest gestures, a consideration that also severely constrains design of all these stupid Metro "apps". I love my iPod Touch, but I despise trying to write anything on it, because the experience is so miserable. I cannot reliably select text with my finger, which is child's play when using a keyboard or mouse. And that miserable experience occurs on a device whose form factor is ideal for touch, which in general is a real pleasure to use. (An iPad is not much better WRT typing.) It can only be worse on a desktop or laptop due to the awkward position of the user relative to the screen. And legacy is right about trackpads; they are miserable to use. They're better than nothing, but not by much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by legacy7955 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    In 50 years, the keyboard will still remain. The mouse won't. We've been using a QWERTY keyboard since the age of type writers. We've used computers with a keyboard until the mouse came into the game more than 25 years ago. It's not going to last a long time because if you have a UI that takes advantage of touch input, much like how the GUI took advantage of the mouse, it's gone. Not only that, there's gesture input as well...

    Call it a change to how we interact with our PCs...
    I can tell you as an experienced user that I detest the touch pads on lap tops because they do not give the positive feel that a mouse/scroll wheel gives. The tactile feel of the touch pad is inferior. It is less ergonomic, that cannot be disputed.
    I don't find touch pads less ergonomic. I can dispute that. I've done a lot with touch pads from using it for a picture password for Windows 8, navigating it, and even FPS shooter games. I find they work. I guess it's a matter or preference...
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    Quote Originally Posted by crawfish View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    In 50 years, the keyboard will still remain. The mouse won't. We've been using a QWERTY keyboard since the age of type writers. We've used computers with a keyboard until the mouse came into the game more than 25 years ago. It's not going to last a long time because if you have a UI that takes advantage of touch input, much like how the GUI took advantage of the mouse, it's gone. Not only that, there's gesture input as well...

    Call it a change to how we interact with our PCs...
    As long as people need to type, physical keyboards and mice will remain the predominant interface, because touch is too imprecise to be useful except for the coarsest gestures, a consideration that also severely constrains design of all these stupid Metro "apps". I love my iPod Touch, but I despise trying to write anything on it, because the experience is so miserable. I cannot reliably select text with my finger, which is child's play when using a keyboard or mouse. And that miserable experience occurs on a device whose form factor is ideal for touch, which in general is a real pleasure to use. (An iPad is not much better WRT typing.) It can only be worse on a desktop or laptop due to the awkward position of the user relative to the screen. And legacy is right about trackpads; they are miserable to use. They're better than nothing, but not by much.
    Interesting. I can type an essay, literally, on my phone and not have it such a miserable experience. The only issues I have are some spelling errors that I later correct when I finish said essay on my PC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Interesting. I can type an essay, literally, on my phone and not have it such a miserable experience. The only issues I have are some spelling errors that I later correct when I finish said essay on my PC.

    LOL....Cokey...are you for real? Unless that phone is a Blackberry with a physical keyboard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by legacy7955 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Interesting. I can type an essay, literally, on my phone and not have it such a miserable experience. The only issues I have are some spelling errors that I later correct when I finish said essay on my PC.

    LOL....Cokey...are you for real? Unless that phone is a Blackberry with a physical keyboard.
    Nope, I'm fo' real! I can't use a physical keyboard because it's so tedious and slow and I'm not always sure if I hit the correct key. I speed type on my phone in landscape mode and not portrait, like Blackberries. That's probably the only way to do that is in portrait mode. But with a touch screen, I fly right through the letters! I've legitimately typed a couple pages worth of text on my phone (I have a Windows Phone 7 that has Office 2010 built in) and carried that over to my PC and fixed things I got wrong. Yes, I'm not always accurate, but I'm usually pretty good. And yes, I use a physical, tactile, wireless, solar paneled keyboard on my PC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by legacy7955 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Interesting. I can type an essay, literally, on my phone and not have it such a miserable experience. The only issues I have are some spelling errors that I later correct when I finish said essay on my PC.

    LOL....Cokey...are you for real? Unless that phone is a Blackberry with a physical keyboard.
    Legacy, I don't know what medication you're on, but you need to up the dosage or get off it altogether. Mate you need to walk around any Capital city around the world and tell me how many people you see walking around carrying a Core I7 PC with a 24inch screen texting their friends. When you see some take a video and post it onto this forum.
    What you will see are thousands of people with mobile phones and tablets with touch screens texting like crazy, some people can type faster with their thumbs on a touch screen than people with a keyboard.
    I doubt that you will ever drag yourself out of the past by the sound of it, but millions of people already have and many more millions will. I type on a touch screen every day, while I certainly can't claim 90 WMP I'm doing okay.
    Just give up on the anti touch it doesn't sound too good in this day and age, people are moving on, I'm typing this on a touch screen. I agree 100% that the keyboard and mouse aren't going anywhere, but having the ability to use both is a great step forward.
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    Legacy, you seem quite fond of saying things are "indisputable", when in fact they are not. It may be indisputable in your mind, but that is only because you cannot imagine how people could function without a keyboard or mouse.

    It may be true that keyboard and mouse are the most efficient today, at least from a human input device perspective (there are lots of other ways to input data that are not direct HID). Part of the problem is that current touch devices do not give tactile feedback. However, that's a function of the impreciseness of said devices and your uncertain that any action you take actually registered. If you were confident that any action took was recorded, exactly as you intended it to be, then no feedback is necessary.

    I do not see it being 50 years before such input devices are practical and common place. At most 20.

    Having said that, however, I see kids that can type on a 12-key phone faster than I can on a keyboard (and i'm pretty fast). I've seen kids type on thumb keyboards even faster. I've seen people using Swype and similar technologies that can keep up with conversations. It's all a matter of training oneself on the right technology.
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