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Touch is NOT the "near" future of computing. Keyboard & mouse is.

  1. #71


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    Quote Originally Posted by constantG View Post
    The UK military have been using touch screens in their Control Rooms for at least a decade and a half and most if not all of them have been presented on MS windows machines.
    Yes and so have banking machines and a million other process control, limited interaction and specific purpose computing devices using windows, linux and (even today) DOS. I've worked in the touchchscreen industry for 18 years and have seen millions of applications for them, but guess what? NONE of then have been on a general purpose desktop because it's just unfathomly stupid way to interact with such a complex and generalised UI with tasks that are dozens or even hundreds of times more complex than the simple button pushing of a Point of Sale or other touchscreen friendly application.

    If touch on the desktop was a good idea it would have taken off years ago. It didn't because it's not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FSeal View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by constantG View Post
    The UK military have been using touch screens in their Control Rooms for at least a decade and a half and most if not all of them have been presented on MS windows machines.
    Yes and so have banking machines and a million other process control, limited interaction and specific purpose computing devices using windows, linux and (even today) DOS. I've worked in the touchchscreen industry for 18 years and have seen millions of applications for them, but guess what? NONE of then have been on a general purpose desktop because it's just unfathomly stupid way to interact with such a complex and generalised UI with tasks that are dozens or even hundreds of times more complex than the simple button pushing of a Point of Sale or other touchscreen friendly application.

    If touch on the desktop was a good idea it would have taken off years ago. It didn't because it's not.
    Hopefully you aren't in the "Politically correct school" because the best comment I can make is

    "Amen to that" and "Hallelujah" that someone else has sense here.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  3. #73


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    Hello.

    If a full size desktop touch keyboard for the PC
    that had a hard surface was available to buy,
    I would buy one.

    I think the idea is there but the technology for inexpensive home use is not.
    there is no inexpensive product of this type available
    anyway...

    again, sorry... Where have typewriters gone?
    spring pushers will be around for years
    Last edited by mdmd; 13 Jun 2012 at 17:17.
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  4. #74


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    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Hello.

    If a full size desktop touch keyboard for the PC
    that had a hard surface was available to buy,
    I would buy one.

    I think the idea is there but the technology for inexpensive home use is not.
    there is no inexpensive product of this type available
    anyway...

    again, sorry... Where have typewriters gone?
    spring pushers will be around for years
    If your talking about a high resolution tablet with a pen interface like a centique, then yes that can be useful for /some/ things like artists, maybe photo work in Photoshop, though they work less well, than a mouse for other things like cad/3D as they require WAY too much arm movement to get the work done. Touch doesn't even enter the picture for this though

    So other than in specialised cases, wall mounted info display or uses where the computer is really barely used at all for light mail and web browsing, no, touch still doesn't work even with those form factors...
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  5. #75


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    Hello.
    Unfortunately,
    I am talking about technology that does not exist.
    No pens, nothing complex,
    light mail, browsing, paint shop, dvd movie maker etc...
    simple stuff for the home PC user.

    Here:
    I want a flat hard surface full size touch keyboard (no springs) for the PC
    that's it!
    it does not exist (must be inexpensive)

    NO tablets, NO phones, NO laptops, NO pens
    NO rubber, NO plastic, NO springs, NO buttons
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  6. #76


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    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Hello.
    Unfortunately,
    I am talking about technology that does not exist.
    No pens, nothing complex,
    light mail, browsing, paint shop, dvd movie maker etc...
    simple stuff for the home PC user.

    Here:
    I want a flat hard surface full size touch keyboard (no springs) for the PC
    that's it!
    it does not exist (must be inexpensive)

    NO tablets, NO phones, NO laptops, NO pens
    NO rubber, NO plastic, NO springs
    Form over function eh?

    I bet you could in fact find those very things today. HP sells a large touch enabled AIO computer and I saw a pic of an all glass touch keyboard just today (Glass Multi-Touch Keyboard & Mouse | Uncrate).

    So uh.. there you go!
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  7. #77


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    Hey, That's the pic I posted a few pages back.
    Nice, but too expensive $350.00 ? wow
    This may be a projected initial price.

    Not sure it is available ...
    looks like the developer is looking for backers

    NOT interested in AIO computers or Touch computer systems.


    I remember paying $250 for IBM DOS 5.0 (five 3.5 disks) when it first came out.
    paid mega bucks for an LCD monitor first out
    paid mega bucks for a plasma TV first out

    maybe .... TransluSense - Coming Soon

    anyway, it's still NOT FLAT.
    Not a fan of that wrist bump.
    I want it to lay flat on the desktop and be no more than 1/4 inch thick,
    like a wafer keyboard !!

    A wireless solar indestructible (drop on hard floor safe)
    wafer thin flat touch keyboard !
    Last edited by mdmd; 13 Jun 2012 at 19:27.
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    AIO were really being pushed by OEMs hard as far back as 6 years ago, but the reason they don't sell is because they are a bad value, and again with the AIO touch screens, except for the novelty factor nobody is interested they don't sell to the consumers, while the tower still sells reasonably well.
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  9. #79


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    I guess it was a business venture that was not very successful.
    I like a system that is highly upgradeable and has a lot of horsepower.
    Lots of folks have no use for touch technology.

    edit: speculation only:
    not really sure of what the sales statistics are for touch computers.

    for sure: they will not receive a good review here!
    Last edited by mdmd; 13 Jun 2012 at 20:12.
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  10. #80


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    Quote Originally Posted by legacy7955 View Post
    AIO were really being pushed by OEMs hard as far back as 6 years ago, but the reason they don't sell is because they are a bad value, and again with the AIO touch screens, except for the novelty factor nobody is interested they don't sell to the consumers, while the tower still sells reasonably well.
    And today, the common form factor that is being pushed is the laptop model. Sure, somethings are better with a desktop, but the laptop is what's being sold A LOT more than a tower.
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