A quick Windows 8 Desktop discussion...

Coke Robot

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I just thought of this, the desktop form factor WON'T be gone. In fact, it's being reinvented into the All In One PC. These systems are literally plopped onto a desktop of your desk, much like what the first desktops were like. And some PC manufacturers are releasing some details about their AIOs and I must say, they look pretty cool. :cool:
 

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HPs been doing that for a /long/ time, they even have some decent high end AIO workstations as opposed to cheapie email/web devices. Some even have(had) touch screens with custom software to make a lot of W7 tasks more touch friendly. And of course so has Apple. So it's not just now being reinvented, it's been there for several years.
 

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The problem with AIO is that they are more expensive than the traditional desktop tower/monitor and when something breaks it is not as easy to replace that component. From my experience the AIO is not nearly as good a value as the good old stand by of separate tower and monitor.


As for the touch screen.....if you are trying to get actual productive work done, YOU CANNOT USE TOUCH, ONLY A PROPER KEY BOARD AND MOUSE WILL SUFFICE.
 

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FSeal said:
HPs been doing that for a /long/ time, they even have some decent high end AIO workstations as opposed to cheapie email/web devices. Some even have(had) touch screens with custom software to make a lot of W7 tasks more touch friendly. And of course so has Apple. So it's not just now being reinvented, it's been there for several years.
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True, but I'm speaking in a general tense of being reinvented. Also, how many AIOs have you seen adverted that past few years.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro
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    PC/Desktop
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    ASUS
    CPU
    AMD FX 8320
    Motherboard
    Crosshair V Formula-Z
    Memory
    16 gig DDR3
    Graphics Card(s)
    ASUS R9 270
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900
    Hard Drives
    1 TB Seagate Barracuda (starting to hate Seagate)
    x2 3 TB Toshibas
    Windows 8.1 is installed on a SanDisk Ultra Plus 256 GB
    PSU
    OCZ 500 watt
    Case
    A current work in progres as I'll be building the physical case myself. It shall be fantastic.
    Cooling
    Arctic Cooler with 3 heatpipes
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    Logitech K750 wireless solar powered keyboard
    Mouse
    Microsoft Touch Mouse
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    Internet Explorer 11
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender, but I might go back on KIS 2014
legacy7955 said:
The problem with AIO is that they are more expensive than the traditional desktop tower/monitor and when something breaks it is not as easy to replace that component. From my experience the AIO is not nearly as good a value as the good old stand by of separate tower and monitor.


As for the touch screen.....if you are trying to get actual productive work done, YOU CANNOT USE TOUCH, ONLY A PROPER KEY BOARD AND MOUSE WILL SUFFICE.
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Which they have. Touch is just another input that you can use when you feel like using.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS
    CPU
    AMD FX 8320
    Motherboard
    Crosshair V Formula-Z
    Memory
    16 gig DDR3
    Graphics Card(s)
    ASUS R9 270
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900
    Hard Drives
    1 TB Seagate Barracuda (starting to hate Seagate)
    x2 3 TB Toshibas
    Windows 8.1 is installed on a SanDisk Ultra Plus 256 GB
    PSU
    OCZ 500 watt
    Case
    A current work in progres as I'll be building the physical case myself. It shall be fantastic.
    Cooling
    Arctic Cooler with 3 heatpipes
    Keyboard
    Logitech K750 wireless solar powered keyboard
    Mouse
    Microsoft Touch Mouse
    Browser
    Internet Explorer 11
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender, but I might go back on KIS 2014
Coke Robot said:
legacy7955 said:
The problem with AIO is that they are more expensive than the traditional desktop tower/monitor and when something breaks it is not as easy to replace that component. From my experience the AIO is not nearly as good a value as the good old stand by of separate tower and monitor.


As for the touch screen.....if you are trying to get actual productive work done, YOU CANNOT USE TOUCH, ONLY A PROPER KEY BOARD AND MOUSE WILL SUFFICE.
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Which they have. Touch is just another input that you can use when you feel like using.
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I'm speaking specifically about productive tasks and not finger painting, or clicking some application icon.

The touch screen greatly increases costs and when you consider the return you get on this purchase is it not a good value. AND if it breaks after warranty you basically have to trash the whole unit.

Touch screens are a virtual waste for people engaged in most productive tasks.
 

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FSeal said:
HPs been doing that for a /long/ time, they even have some decent high end AIO workstations as opposed to cheapie email/web devices. Some even have(had) touch screens with custom software to make a lot of W7 tasks more touch friendly
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legacy7955 said:
The problem with AIO is that they are more expensive than the traditional desktop tower/monitor and when something breaks it is not as easy to replace that component. From my experience the AIO is not nearly as good a value as the good old stand by of separate tower and monitor.
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I made the same point(s) last week (or the week before) when Coke Robot mentioned AIOs.
They are ridiculously overpriced for what you get.
 

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    AMD Phenom II x6 1055T, 2.8 GHz
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    ATI Radeon HD6450
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    Realtek?
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Coke Robot said:
Which they have. Touch is just another input that you can use when you feel like using.
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That's fine, as long as the operating system matches the most commonly used input method which on a desktop PC will almost always be a keyboard and mouse.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 7
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    Built by me
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    AMD Quad Core something
    Motherboard
    Asus
    Memory
    5GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    nVidia something hacked with Quadro drivers
    Sound Card
    Asus Xonar
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    2x LCD
    Hard Drives
    A few of them
    PSU
    Corsair HX750
    Case
    Antec Sonata Elite
    Cooling
    Couple of fans
    Keyboard
    Logitech backlit wireless
    Mouse
    Logitech rechargable Laser Mouse
    Internet Speed
    25Mbps
I think some of you guys are taking this to the far, impractical extreme. The argument that if something breaks, it's difficult to replace. Well, the same argument goes for laptops, they're expensive and have parts that can break. From my experience though, the only main things that can go wrong are broken screens, damaged charge ports, and damaged hard drives.

Since the AIO PC isn't mobile, there really isn't anything that can go wrong other than a damaged screen, as what could happen with any monitor. Besides, repairing a laptop isn't difficult if you know what you're doing. And even then, many will end up going to best buy or somewhere related to get a desktop repaired. (Yes, I do realize there are some that don't and do it themselves, if I didn't know that, I wouldn't had said that.) Laptops are pricey, with a real decent one, or an ultrabook, running at 1,000 dollars. Some do go for that, since usually at that price range chances are that it's packing an i7 processor and decent graphics.

Also, you'd need to punch the screen of an AIO to cause serious damage to it. Touch screens aren't fragile.
 

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System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS
    CPU
    AMD FX 8320
    Motherboard
    Crosshair V Formula-Z
    Memory
    16 gig DDR3
    Graphics Card(s)
    ASUS R9 270
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900
    Hard Drives
    1 TB Seagate Barracuda (starting to hate Seagate)
    x2 3 TB Toshibas
    Windows 8.1 is installed on a SanDisk Ultra Plus 256 GB
    PSU
    OCZ 500 watt
    Case
    A current work in progres as I'll be building the physical case myself. It shall be fantastic.
    Cooling
    Arctic Cooler with 3 heatpipes
    Keyboard
    Logitech K750 wireless solar powered keyboard
    Mouse
    Microsoft Touch Mouse
    Browser
    Internet Explorer 11
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender, but I might go back on KIS 2014
ssbtech said:
That's fine, as long as the operating system matches the most commonly used input method which on a desktop PC will almost always be a keyboard and mouse.
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Blasphemy!!!!

You're standing in the way of "The Future"! :what:


.......and honestly if "The Future" has things making as little sense and logic as touch screens in a productive work environment like the desktop, I hope A LOT of people stand in it's way..:thumbsup:
 

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  • OS
    Windows 7
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    Built by me
    CPU
    AMD Quad Core something
    Motherboard
    Asus
    Memory
    5GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    nVidia something hacked with Quadro drivers
    Sound Card
    Asus Xonar
    Monitor(s) Displays
    2x LCD
    Hard Drives
    A few of them
    PSU
    Corsair HX750
    Case
    Antec Sonata Elite
    Cooling
    Couple of fans
    Keyboard
    Logitech backlit wireless
    Mouse
    Logitech rechargable Laser Mouse
    Internet Speed
    25Mbps
Glossy or matt, all touchscreens become completely greased over with use. I hate that SO MUCH that I use a stylus on my tablet. There is NO WAY I'll ever be touching my monitor, and on a desktop, reaching up to interact with it is really just silly, cumbersome, tiring and annoyingly dirty. (Unless it's an AIO hanging on the wall with no other form of input that you clean daily). I have 18 years of professional touch screen experience and it's just... no on the desktop if you do anything but treat your desktop as a stationary tablet that you use for only a few minutes a day.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 7/8
I suspect that that was part of the reason windows 8 has the mobile side. Especially since all the touch screen all in ones had EXTRA programs on top of windows 7 that made the computer slow and cumbersome. It also seemed to vary since it depended on who made the computer so that was annoying. But if they really want to use that for the touch screen all in ones they should make metro a bit more alive and exciting. The typography more legible and the icons or as they call it tiles should stand out against the background. One good thing is that since the mobile is now combined with the computers at least they will be the same across all systems.
 

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