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  1. #61


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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Lets face it folks, when Windows 8 comes out there will be a large number of Apps ready to go. Then there will be a huge number of developers working like crazy to jump on the bandwagon of the Worlds most popular OS.
    Maybe? But, how much will they cost? And will they be any good? Right now the App store is pretty bare and a lot of the so called free apps seem to be limited function versions of something the author would like to pay for. Not everybody is as enthused as you and Coke Robot are about Windows 8.
    Apps generally aren't very expensive, a lot are free, and most are under $10, even Apple's. I can't see Microsoft charging any more, probably because they generally can't be pirated and there's no middle man, they can keep the prices down.

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  2. #62


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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    I agree with Bill. This is a BIG, well thought out strategy for MS. So we have to write new apps! It's time for a change. Change is the only thing constant in he universe. It's THE driver of capitalism.
    Thats what I like about Windows 8, it's a big change, fresh and exciting, I predict that Windows 8 will take less time to get where Windows 7 is now.
    I'll buy the "big change" part, not so sure about fresh and exciting though. Not for "most" desktop users anyway.
    If you go buy past history, Businesses won't be in a big hurry to upgrade to Windows 8. Also from what I've seen here and on Seven Forum's, a lot if not most of the members aren't in a big hurry to jump on the Windows 8 band wagon either. Not like they were with Windows 7. The average Joe on the street isn't going to run out and buy it either. So that just leaves new PC sales. Also I don't see the average Joe sitting down and upgrading his or her new PC to windows 8 even if it is only 15$. Not if they have to redeem a coupon, download Windows 8 and maybe have to burn a disk, and then risk messing up there new system. I don't think so, Tim.
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  3. #63


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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    I agree with Bill. This is a BIG, well thought out strategy for MS. So we have to write new apps! It's time for a change. Change is the only thing constant in he universe. It's THE driver of capitalism.
    Thats what I like about Windows 8, it's a big change, fresh and exciting, I predict that Windows 8 will take less time to get where Windows 7 is now.
    I'll buy the "big change" part, not so sure about fresh and exciting though. Not for "most" desktop users anyway.
    If you go buy past history, Businesses won't be in a big hurry to upgrade to Windows 8. Also from what I've seen here and on Seven Forum's, a lot if not most of the members aren't in a big hurry to jump on the Windows 8 band wagon either. Not like they were with Windows 7. The average Joe on the street isn't going to run out and buy it either. So that just leaves new PC sales. Also I don't see the average Joe sitting down and upgrading his or her new PC to windows 8 even if it is only 15$. Not if they have to redeem a coupon, download Windows 8 and maybe have to burn a disk, and then risk messing up there new system. I don't think so, Tim.
    The problem with looking at Windows forums is that you get a one sided look at whats really going on. You've only got to look at what people on here are saying about touch and keyboards and mice, completely off the mark. The real world is already leaving a lot of these things behind, the real world has already changed and I'm sure Microsoft knows this.
    Most people on here can't even see beyond the PC, when as sure as night follows day, traditional PC's are going the way of the horse and cart. When you hang around tech forums, not Windows forums, you get a much better idea of what's going on.

    The PC isn't going to die out over night, but it is going to become less relevant in a mobile world, and Windows 8 will be a part of that. I'm only talking about the consumer world, exactly what's going to happen in the business world, I'm not sure, but they will adapt to Windows 8 tablets I'm sure.
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    This isn't the only forum I frequent, I also hang out at Speedguide, [H]ardfoum, and Lockergnome. I have another 20 or so in my favorites that I visit from time to time too. IMHO you are overoptimistic in your predictions.
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  5. #65


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    Touch is the present and future for handheld and mobile devices but I think, keyboards and mice are there to stay for a loooooooooooooong time for PC's in the enterprise, PC gaming and professional areas where people actually hang out for much more serious fields of work like making spreadsheets, Photoshop, office work, PC online gaming (such as FPS games), engineering and many other professional jobs that require lots of windows opened at the same time so if you are are fan of touchscreen, don't insist that touch is the ONLY way that fits all because its not. M$ should improve Metro design (multitasking, window controls) but not to the level that it becomes more important than the Desktop (their bread and butter) whose basic design is old but still useful (like the wheel, its still is round after many centuries) which could still use some improvements on its own. I personally don't feel a huge uproar of people wanting to move to Windows 8 nor do I feel a huge uproar of the development of Metro apps.

    Windows 8 has a better chance to succeed if there was perfect separation of both Words- Metro and Desktop without one getting on top of the other but the Desktop is just seconds class in Windows 8, starting from the removal of the classic Start Button and Menu to M$ allowing only the development of Metro apps on their free version of their software development kit. I personally think, the Windows 7 Start Menu and Button should be there and a separate button for the Metro should exist and that there should be a choice which interface is default at startup. One good idea is that if Windows 8 is installed on a tablet, Metro is automatically the default but when installed on a PC, it automatically makes the Desktop default but still with a choice to change the default UI, with Metro still accessible with a click of a button. I doubt those will ever happen but that was my suggestion.
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  6. #66


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    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    The problem with looking at Windows forums is that you get a one sided look at whats really going on. You've only got to look at what people on here are saying about touch and keyboards and mice, completely off the mark. The real world is already leaving a lot of these things behind, the real world has already changed and I'm sure Microsoft knows this.
    Most people on here can't even see beyond the PC, when as sure as night follows day, traditional PC's are going the way of the horse and cart. When you hang around tech forums, not Windows forums, you get a much better idea of what's going on.
    The problem with tech forums is they push tech.
    When you hang around offices and vocational campuses, people are using desktops to do work (Linux, Mac and Windows).

    Phones and tablets are meant for frivolous consumer activities (e.g Facebook, listening to music, reading e-books, watching video, etc.).
    Whilst most of the whippersnappers (at my TAFE) have phones, they also have monster gaming rigs.

    You can't do any "real" work on a touch screen phone/tablet (apart from checklists and telemarketing).
    How long would it take you to create a 100 MB database on a phone?
    How many virtual servers can you run on a tablet?

    OMG, the soul-destroying horror of trying to type up a 50 page report on a phone.
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    I agree 100% with you, Vertex, in your statement "The Windows 7 Start Menu and Button should be there and a separate button for the Metro should exist and that there should be a choice which interface is default at startup". Although I believe MS developed 8 for application among many devices, your solution seems the best I've heard yet for business application.
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  8. #68


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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    I'll buy the "big change" part, not so sure about fresh and exciting though.
    How about old and tired? The full-screen, modal Metro Start Page and full-screen apps remind me of my Atari ST in the 1980s running Hotwire as the shell, except nothing as stupid as "The 4 Corners" existed.

    Not for "most" desktop users anyway.
    If you go buy past history, Businesses won't be in a big hurry to upgrade to Windows 8. Also from what I've seen here and on Seven Forum's, a lot if not most of the members aren't in a big hurry to jump on the Windows 8 band wagon either. Not like they were with Windows 7. The average Joe on the street isn't going to run out and buy it either. So that just leaves new PC sales. Also I don't see the average Joe sitting down and upgrading his or her new PC to windows 8 even if it is only 15$. Not if they have to redeem a coupon, download Windows 8 and maybe have to burn a disk, and then risk messing up there new system. I don't think so, Tim.
    There is no reason for any non-fanboy consumer to switch to Windows HE. Nor is there any reason for businesses to switch. Windows HE is supposed to create a convergence between mobile and desktop and salvage Microsoft's mobile business, which is all but dead. Instead, nobody will want it on the desktop, and it will hurt mobile as people see how crummy it is and avoid both. Apple will continue to make inroads in business, further displacing Microsoft.
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  9. #69


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    I blame Lebron James
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  10. #70


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    I think arguing about the future acceptance of Windows 8 is pretty useless. Nobody knows. I am sure it will be popular with tablets but on the PC it will probably have a hard time.

    The unfortunate situation is that starting next year, Windows 8 will be the default OEM installation on new PCs. That may even slow down PC sales because a lot of people may not want it on a PC.
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