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  1. #161


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    Windows 8 Pro/Windows 8 Pro/Windows 7 64 Bit64Bit/Windows XP


    Quote Originally Posted by legacy7955 View Post
    MS doesn't HAVE to suffer a "failure" with Windows 8, the only thing that needs to be done is to give the customers a CHOICE of DEFAULT UI for every boot.

    This is as easy as a few changes in the line of code for that option. Heck it was ALREADY in the initial version.
    This is pretty radical I know, but how do we know for sure Microsoft hasn't been listening and will give people a choice to bypass Metro on the desktop in the retail version. Maybe they're just pushing Metro on us now to get everyone used to it and also let's them do their testing on Apps and such. If they gave us a choice now, most would turn it off, and they wouldn't be able to do a thorough test.

    I don't mind the idea of that but it is a bit out there, but seeing as Microsoft is not pushing this for business it could be a reality.

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  2. #162


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    Think you're right Bill that MS won't give us a choice, and I'm sure part of the reason would be the one you gave. But there's also another one.

    Look how Ballmer described Vista:

    2006 - it was part of the most significant product launches in MS history and a "game changer"
    2008 - a work in progress
    2009 - MS never recovered from this flop

    This is one stubborn company and they've invested so much in Metro - no way they're gonna give anyone an out immediately. Took three years to admit Vista didn't work out like they'd planned. But we got 7 out of it, so I'm thinking good things for 9. On the other hand, if 2 of the past 3 OSs are duds - eeesh. It won't kill them but it will hurt.
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  3. #163


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    Windows 8


    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by legacy7955 View Post
    MS doesn't HAVE to suffer a "failure" with Windows 8, the only thing that needs to be done is to give the customers a CHOICE of DEFAULT UI for every boot.

    This is as easy as a few changes in the line of code for that option. Heck it was ALREADY in the initial version.
    This is pretty radical I know, but how do we know for sure Microsoft hasn't been listening and will give people a choice to bypass Metro on the desktop in the retail version. Maybe they're just pushing Metro on us now to get everyone used to it and also let's them do their testing on Apps and such. If they gave us a choice now, most would turn it off, and they wouldn't be able to do a thorough test.

    I don't mind the idea of that but it is a bit out there, but seeing as Microsoft is not pushing this for business it could be a reality.
    This is what I'm hoping/waiting to find out in the retail. I don't mind trying out metro because it's a free preview. But if the choice doesn't come back in the retail version I most likely will not be buying it.
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  4. #164


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    Windows 8 Pro/Windows 8 Pro/Windows 7 64 Bit64Bit/Windows XP


    Quote Originally Posted by BFG View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by legacy7955 View Post
    MS doesn't HAVE to suffer a "failure" with Windows 8, the only thing that needs to be done is to give the customers a CHOICE of DEFAULT UI for every boot.

    This is as easy as a few changes in the line of code for that option. Heck it was ALREADY in the initial version.
    This is pretty radical I know, but how do we know for sure Microsoft hasn't been listening and will give people a choice to bypass Metro on the desktop in the retail version. Maybe they're just pushing Metro on us now to get everyone used to it and also let's them do their testing on Apps and such. If they gave us a choice now, most would turn it off, and they wouldn't be able to do a thorough test.

    I don't mind the idea of that but it is a bit out there, but seeing as Microsoft is not pushing this for business it could be a reality.
    This is what I'm hoping/waiting to find out in the retail. I don't mind trying out metro because it's a free preview. But if the choice doesn't come back in the retail version I most likely will not be buying it.
    I'm not sure its that radical, I've thought about this before and it is only a few lines of code and maybe a boot choice or button on the Metro screen to switch it on and off.
    To me its no big deal, but to keep everyone happy, this could be a possibility. Like I said its no good doing it now as most people would turn it off.
    I hope my assumption is correct, I would rather see a happy Windows world than a split one. I could even see me turning it on and off occasionally.
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  5. #165


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    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)

    Microsoft's Stubborn Arrogance


    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Are you suggesting we lie and build up a product that is poor?
    That seems to be the pro-Metro crowd line.

    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    How is that going to help.
    Exactly.
    Just like people "hated" Vista, but Windows 7 has become the fastest selling OS in history.

    The best thing that could happen (for consumers) is MS losing a few percentage points of market share.
    It would mean that they'd "pull their fingers out" for Windows 9.

    As other people have pointed out (many times) all that MS needs to do to have a win-win situation, is release:
    • A "classic" version that is like Windows 7, but includes the actual W8 improvements (e.g. lower RAM usage, improved security and speed).
    • A Metro version for the phone/tablet crowd.


    It is only Microsoft's stubborn arrogance that prevents this.
    "You will take what we're offering and you will like it."
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  6. #166


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    Windows 8 Pro/Windows 8 Pro/Windows 7 64 Bit64Bit/Windows XP


    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Travis View Post
    Think you're right Bill that MS won't give us a choice, and I'm sure part of the reason would be the one you gave. But there's also another one.

    Look how Ballmer described Vista:

    2006 - it was part of the most significant product launches in MS history and a "game changer"
    2008 - a work in progress
    2009 - MS never recovered from this flop

    This is one stubborn company and they've invested so much in Metro - no way they're gonna give anyone an out immediately. Took three years to admit Vista didn't work out like they'd planned. But we got 7 out of it, so I'm thinking good things for 9. On the other hand, if 2 of the past 3 OSs are duds - eeesh. It won't kill them but it will hurt.
    To be honest I think even if Microsoft gives people the choice to turn it on and off, I think most people will stick with Metro, its becoming an App world, plus the fact that this will be huge on tablets where you wont be able to turn it off. The younger generation will go with Metro anyway, its mainly older Techies that will want to opt out of Metro. But it looks to me like some of the older guys are already starting to warm up to Metro as well.

    Who knows maybe they can afford to be a little less stubborn this time, because I really think 8 is a world changer.
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  7. #167


    Posts : 37
    Windows 8 Release Preview


    I'm going to go with what a guy said earlier: let's see everyone's Start screen. Let's see if you're actually giving it a try. Because honest to God, I believe some of you haven't even made it your own.

    I've attached mine.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Win8 SS 1.png   Win8 SS 2.png  
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  8. #168


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    J4rrod - that screen you have there? That's exactly the reason I'm not using 8 any more. I did what you did before you even joined this site.
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  9. #169


    Posts : 37
    Windows 8 Release Preview


    Colonel Travis - I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about...
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  10. #170


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    Tiles = deck chairs
    Metro = Titanic
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