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  1. #151


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Travis View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post

    Okay fellas you win I hate Metro, you've won me over, I want to live in the past too. Now that I'm like you, tell me what we are going to do. I'll listen and follow, what have you got planned.
    C'mon, Bill, this isn't what Metro haters are saying. The future can't get here fast enough for me. It's got nothing to do with hating the future and loving the past or what's current. I think it's beyond ridiculous you can't even take a USB drive/phone/iPod/anything out of the socket without asking permission from Mr. Safely Remove Hardware. It's got everything to do with loving what works and not what doesn't work. And even that is subjective, although it could be deeper than just subjective if enough PC users refuse to use 8. We're not gonna know for a while. Regardless, if you like 8 and 8 works for you, why are you concerned if others don't see it that way? MS isn't going anywhere even if this one's a flop. Even if MS did disappear, you'd still have 8 to cuddle up with at night.

    At the same time, I agree with that quote you included from Mark Donovan. In fact, most critics have been making this distinction all along. Metro on a tablet or phone? Seems like a good fit. Desktop? Ugh. It's getting slammed hard by a lot of people because a desktop is not a tablet or a phone. All three do different things. Coordinating between all three is fine and dandy. It makes sense to be able to go between your devices and a PC as effortlessly as possible. Who's arguing for it to be more of a PITA?
    I find that Bill and I are concerned with the haters because some are slandering blasphemies when they haven't used it themselves. It could be the fact that some choose not use the Start Screen because they don't configure it in a way to adapt to their workflow. That, along with other things, can effectively neuter Windows 8 before it even comes out because the average person relies on US, the people that use and know Windows to suggest what kind of computer to buy, what version of software to use, if they should use the latest Windows, ect.....ect..... When people like us that are not fully informed about Windows 8 and blow it off before not even customizing, personalizing, tweaking it even, discovering it; that word of mouth gets passed around. So instead of wishing Microsoft well and at least some success, we end up getting the average person thinking Windows 8 is awful, it's dumbed down, it's pointless, THAT, that in essence is probably the main reason why myself and many others are "concerned" about the 8 hate is that. Misinformation. Much like what happened with vista, many of us had issues with it, some didn't and the ones that didn't praised it. What happened? The average person avoided it like the plague until 7.

    A lot is at stake for many people...
    Yep, that last bit says it all, a lot is at stake. If you look on the Internet you'll find most tech bloggers are dying for Microsoft to fail, and if we Windows users are rubbishing Microsoft as well we might as well hand them a shovel.
    The whole world is in love with Apple and to a certain extent Android, if Windows 8, shows any faults at all when it comes out, it will be ridiculed just like RIM is now, and we know how good that's been for RIM.

    If we as Windows users cant accept it, it will be just more fodder for the bloggers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Yes, MS will suffer.

    I have no reason to doubt they will go back to the drawing board - pay attention to their customers needs and produce a real winner with win9.

    In the long term that will be best for MS , for the consumer , and for the world.
    Forget about Windows 9, if Windows 8 fails, the Tech bloggers will Drive a nail into Microsofts coffin I can assure you.
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    Are you suggesting we lie and build up a product that is poor?

    How is that going to help.

    Better to tell it like it is - better for MS too.

    They will get it right next time.

    Fortunately for MS , Apple are not operating in most of windows existing markets.


    Don't worry too much about MS - it will be painful for them , but it won't be the end.

    Not unless they mess up the next one as well.

    I don't see that happening - win9 will embody all they have learnt from their mistakes.

    They will come out the stronger for it.

    Win8 is not going to be a terrible disaster - it will be a damp squib.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Are you suggesting we lie and build up a product that is poor?

    How is that going to help.

    Better to tell it like it is - better for MS too.

    They will get it right next time.

    Fortunately for MS , Apple are not operating in most of windows existing markets.
    With 100 billion dollars and growing, how long do you think Apple is going to sit around if Microsft stumbles again.
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    MS doesn't HAVE to suffer a "failure" with Windows 8, the only thing that needs to be done is to give the customers a CHOICE of DEFAULT UI for every boot.

    This is as easy as a few changes in the line of code for that option. Heck it was ALREADY in the initial version.
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    Interesting thought from Mike who at one time was director of Mac Platform Marketing:


    Ahhh, Steve. If only you were around to see this.

    Twenty-five years ago Microsoft copied the Mac interface and confined Macintosh to a tiny sliver of the PC market. Despite all the progress you've made since then, Macintosh continues to command under 10% of the worldwide PC market. But now, at long last, Windows is vulnerable to a potential knockout. If the Windows 8 transition is as uncomfortable as I expect, you might be able to peel away large numbers of PC users and trigger a collapse of Windows sales.

    You'd have to make some compromises, creating special Mac bundles with Windows emulators and file migration tools. And you'd have to jump back into doing Mac vs. PC advertising, this time welcoming the guy with the dorky jacket into your club. It's risky, and in some ways it's backward-looking at a time when Apple is looking forward to conquering television and maybe the auto market. But the PC market is worth about $300 billion in revenue a year, at a time when it's becoming harder to maintain Apple's sales growth. Where else can you so easily tap into that big a pool of revenue? Besides, how cool would it be to finally be the leading PC platform in the world again, after all those years? Talk about changing the world...

    If Steve were here, I think he'd be sorely tempted to attack. I don't know what Apple's new management will do. But somebody in Redmond ought to be really scared of the possibility.
    Do you really think Apple would do that - apart from the fact they haven't got time.

    They can't compete at below about the $1200 level (uk prices).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I find that Bill and I are concerned with the haters because some are slandering blasphemies when they haven't used it themselves.
    There are a lot of people here and elsewhere who have been very specific in their criticisms. You fanboys dismiss it all by saying the person is "stuck in the past", bleating "touch is the future", calling them "haters", and giving out other such drivel. You're not fooling anybody, except maybe a few fools.
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    I understand what Bill is getting at.

    I am of the opinion we need as much competition as possible - it would be better for everyone if Linux as a desktop o/s had enough of a market share to be considered a viable alternative by the consumer.

    I don't see that happening in the near future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    I understand what Bill is getting at.

    I am of the opinion we need as much competition as possible - it would be better for everyone if Linux as a desktop o/s had enough of a market share to be considered a viable alternative by the consumer.

    I don't see that happening in the near future.
    The way that could happen is if the Linux umbrella orgs could decide on perhaps two versions on Linux to promote.

    It's a GREAT OS, the only problem is the splintering makes it difficult for most folks to understand this OS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    I understand what Bill is getting at.

    I am of the opinion we need as much competition as possible - it would be better for everyone if Linux as a desktop o/s had enough of a market share to be considered a viable alternative by the consumer.

    I don't see that happening in the near future.
    Agree with this. At the same time, I don't care what MS does. Don't care what Apple does. Don't care what Linux does. I have no personal stake in any of these companies, which is why I don't care if 8 is a dud or anything anyone else does is a dud. Duds happen and I trust MS to be sensible long-term. You can't create an OS like 7 and be a company full of stubborn morons. If they screw up long-term, they won't be in business and someone else will pick up the slack - and trust me, if it ever gets to that point, someone else will because MS has too much slack to just leave sitting there. But this is also precisely the reason why I don't see MS going down the tubes.
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