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  1. #31


    Posts : 1,353
    Windows 8 Pro/Windows 8 Pro/Windows 7 64 Bit64Bit/Windows XP


    Quote Originally Posted by legacy7955 View Post
    I think the conclusion that even the M$ fanbois are admitting to is that to survive they need the cash from the apps they will sell through Windows 8 Metro.....so why doesn't MS just admit this publically, and also offer a version of Windows 8 with the default UI as the desktop for a higher price than the Metro based version?

    Considering that many folks will NOT pay a red cent for ANY metro apps, this would be something significant to consider, I for one would be willing to pay more LESS in this case.

    It cannot be cannot be said enough, MS is DESTROYING the loyality of nearly their entire desktop customer base. This is a fact.


    I used to be very supportive of MS because I believed that they were the more benevolent major OS company around, with Apple and Jobs being a capitalist robber baron in the most insidious way. I also continually have praised them in their continuing to support the much loved but now very outdated Windows XP, this probably cost them money but it solidified the loyality of its users and MS could have been sure that when they purchased their new OS it would be a Windows product because of the long lasting support they had.

    I hate to break it to you fanbois but MS is throwing customer loyality all away, which is invaluable.

    MS had been the cool, reasoned, pragmatic option in operating systems that yes did try to please everybody and often times did just that.

    Of course I will NEVER EVER purchased that damned fruit company OSX, but MS is forcing my hand with their sudden arrogance and will absolutely lose many loyalists to Linux, and yes even some to freaking Apple OSX.
    Look Legacy, have a real good look at the computing world, have a look at Google and Apple and Microsoft, look at the phones and the tablets. Look at phones and tablets as little computers, have a look at the market share of all these companies and their devices.
    When you've done that, come and tell me what else Microsoft could possibly do in the face of whats coming.

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  2. #32


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    @coke robot, I think you and I are the only ones who can see the future of computing on Windows 8.

    Well, besides Microsoft that is.
    It sure seems that way....
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  3. #33


    Posts : 142
    Windows 8 Enterprise 64-bit (7 Ult, Vista & XP in V-Box)


    They could do what we've been telling them (and you) for the last six months or more.

    Simply give us the option to turn Metro AND the Start Button/Menu on or off.

    How hard can that be to do? OR understand?
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  4. #34


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by legacy7955 View Post
    I think the conclusion that even the M$ fanbois are admitting to is that to survive they need the cash from the apps they will sell through Windows 8 Metro.....so why doesn't MS just admit this publically, and also offer a version of Windows 8 with the default UI as the desktop for a higher price than the Metro based version?

    Considering that many folks will NOT pay a red cent for ANY metro apps, this would be something significant to consider, I for one would be willing to pay more LESS in this case.

    It cannot be cannot be said enough, MS is DESTROYING the loyality of nearly their entire desktop customer base. This is a fact.


    I used to be very supportive of MS because I believed that they were the more benevolent major OS company around, with Apple and Jobs being a capitalist robber baron in the most insidious way. I also continually have praised them in their continuing to support the much loved but now very outdated Windows XP, this probably cost them money but it solidified the loyality of its users and MS could have been sure that when they purchased their new OS it would be a Windows product because of the long lasting support they had.

    I hate to break it to you fanbois but MS is throwing customer loyality all away, which is invaluable.

    MS had been the cool, reasoned, pragmatic option in operating systems that yes did try to please everybody and often times did just that.

    Of course I will NEVER EVER purchased that damned fruit company OSX, but MS is forcing my hand with their sudden arrogance and will absolutely lose many loyalists to Linux, and yes even some to freaking Apple OSX.
    Now, to say that NO ONE would ever pay for an app, that's hilarious! What do you think apple did in 2008? The app store. Everyone pays a red cent and then some for apps. Just like people pay many red cents for Office software. I don't know if you realize, but Microsoft is the best capitalistic enterprises out there. A lot of what they do, a lot of what every tech enterprise does is make money. I'd say the main customer loyalty they might lose are the hard core people out there that don't want any molestation to their Desktop by the company that codes it unless. It's becoming a tiring argument....
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  5. #35


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Kat View Post
    They could do what we've been telling them (and you) for the last six months or more.

    Simply give us the option to turn Metro AND the Start Button/Menu on or off.

    How hard can that be to do? OR understand?
    Why?
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  6. #36


    Posts : 120
    Windows 8.1 + StartIsBack + AeroGlass


    Quote Originally Posted by Kat View Post
    They could do what we've been telling them (and you) for the last six months or more.Simply give us the option to turn Metro AND the Start Button/Menu on or off.How hard can that be to do? OR understand?
    Microsoft wants everyone developing Metro applications. They want to capture the tablet market and they're doing whatever they think it's necessary to accomplish that, desktop users be damned. Do they care so much if we, disappointed traditional desktop users stick with Windows 7 or even some go to Mac/Linux/BSD/whatever? That's the point of view you need to understand what they're thinking.
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  7. #37


    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
    Posts : 6,490
    Windows 10 Education 64 Bit


    @ Coke Robot + BillWindows,

    1. > How many Metro Apps can you open at the same time on the same monitor?
    2. > How many Metro Apps can you open at the same time on multiple monitors?

    For me with two 1280 by 1024 LCD screens the answer is 1 and 1

    3. > How many Desktop Apps can you open at the same time on the same monitor?
    4. > How many Desktop Apps can you open at the same time on multiple monitors?

    For me I can easily view 2 programs on each monitor at the same time. I can also "easily" cycle though a lot more.
    Last edited by alphanumeric; 04 Jun 2012 at 07:43.
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  8. #38


    Rotterdam, The Netherlands
    Posts : 117
    Windows 8 Pro 64-bit, Windows 7 SP1 64-bit, Windows XP SP3 32-bit


    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    @coke robot, I think you and I are the only ones who can see the future of computing on Windows 8.

    Well, besides Microsoft that is.
    I wouldn't be be too sure about that. Most people seem to be simply complaining about not being able to turn off Metro whilst in desktop mode. They are not talking about getting rid of Metro, it's just a question of choice, the choice to disable Metro if they so wish. The problem MS has is that they let us as testers know it was possible in the Developer Preview. Since taking the choice away many people now seem to have decided that they do want the option to enable/ disable Metro back. Asking for it back does not make them anti-Windows 8.

    I, like most, have always stated that what's been done with Windows 8 under the bonnet is very worthwhile. It's fast, responsive and generally works very well. It's not the operating system per se that I have a problem with, it's things like the removal of the choice to switch Metro off and on, the ability to choose how folders and files are displayed [we now have 2 options instead of the 8 we have in Windows 7, multitasking Windows 8: Thrown into a multi-tasking mosh pit ? The Register etc.. Dumbing down the whole UI for those who only use the operating system for checking a few E-mails and play a few games is bizarre.
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  9. #39


    Norwich, UK
    Posts : 85
    Windows 8 Pro


    I, like most, have always stated that what's been done with Windows 8 under the bonnet is very worthwhile. It's fast, responsive and generally works very well. It's not the operating system per se that I have a problem with, it's things like the removal of the choice to switch Metro off and on, the ability to choose how folders and files are displayed [we now have 2 options instead of the 8 we have in Windows 7, multitasking Windows 8: Thrown into a multi-tasking mosh pit ? The Register etc.. Dumbing down the whole UI for those who only use the operating system for checking a few E-mails and play a few games is bizarre.
    While I agree with you, Microsofts problem is, that from an "average consumer" point of view, they can't actually get rid of Metro, or give you an option to turn it off.

    Why? Because on the face of things at least, 8 is just 7 with a stupid start menu, you take that away, and what you are left with is Windows 7 minus Aero. Now I, and probably just about everyone else on here, knows that there have been a lot of under the hood tweaks, and it runs beautifully, dare I say it better than 7, but the average consumer won't see that, they will just see Windows 7, and go "WEll why should I pay x amount for that, when I can get 7 for this smaller amount" (as 7 will no longer be the flagship product it will be cheaper). They have almost shot themselves in the foot, in a weird sort of way, 7 was almost too successful.

    As for the Vista analogy, I see where you are coming from. There was nothing really wrong with Vista, it just got a bad reputation, I can certainly see 8 going the same way, if Microsoft aren't careful.

    Just one thing I must say in 8's defence though, I've been quite vocal in the past about how poor the Desktop interface is, they have taken big steps to alleviate this in the release preview. It no longer feels like I'm playing "Hunt the pixel" which is appreciated.

    Just one suggestion though Microsoft... why not let the "touch gestures" be used by a mouse as well, have Windows register holding the left mouse button down and doing the gesture, the same as doing it with your finger. For example swiping in the charms bar.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kat View Post
    They could do what we've been telling them (and you) for the last six months or more.

    Simply give us the option to turn Metro AND the Start Button/Menu on or off.

    How hard can that be to do? OR understand?
    Why?
    Why not? Microsoft are not Apple. I am a Microsoft customer for a reason... Microsoft have always been pro choice (as long as you don't interfere with their Intellectual Property). That's why I like them, and its why I don't buy Apple.
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  10. #40


    Posts : 30
    Windows 8 RP x64


    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    @coke robot, I think you and I are the only ones who can see the future of computing on Windows 8.

    Well, besides Microsoft that is.
    Hey, you forgot me. :P
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