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  1. #41


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I think the Windows 7 taskbar WAS a huge Quicklaunch bar...
    Not even close. The Windows 7 taskbar merged the limited functionality of Quick Launch with the original reason for the taskbar, locating open windows, and added new features like jump lists and progress indicators. The ability to pin icons to the taskbar is the best thing Microsoft has ever done for the Windows interface, and it isn't close. When you pin programs, you know where to go to launch them and where to look for them when they're running, and you get to choose where on the taskbar they go. The taskbar remains visible so you can take advantage of this and the other things like jump lists and progress bars when multitasking. Anybody who uses Quick Launch in Windows 7 can't be taken seriously on anything, because it reduces the space in which you can pin programs, and the ability to pin programs subsumes the functionality of Quick Launch while adding so much more. Anyone who understands these things and possesses even modest intelligence leaves Quick Launch disabled and pins programs. After 15 years of this interface, Microsoft finally innovated something with the Windows 7 taskbar, and they got it really, really right. Unfortunately, the Windows HE debacle proves it was just a fluke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crawfish View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by gazz9496 View Post
    i'd say microsoft have a bigger problem than just their start menu being crap, the fact that decent touch screens cost either the same as the pc or more is a far far bigger problem.
    The biggest problem of all is the dearth of applications for the PC form factor that are by their nature amenable to touch. Word processors? Nah. Spreadsheets? Forget it. Message boards? Not on your life. Basically anything that involves a lot of typing or benefits from the precision of the mouse just doesn't translate well to touch. Then there is the awkwardness of reaching out in front to touch the screen, which requires you to be close enough, obscures what you're touching, and smudges the screen. I guess programs that closely emulate the interfaces of physical devices can benefit, such as digital audio workstation software, which tend to have lots of sliders, rotary controls, etc. A child's fingerpainting program would benefit. Anything else?
    that is also true, but the cost of touch screen monitors of decent size and quality is also a hinderance to the cause.

    I wonder if microsoft have trully considered software issues past and future, will all new revisions of lets say photo shop be touch screen friendly? somehow i doubt it unless were going back to stick man drawings and really dodgy looking touch ups.

    I don't mean to bash microsoft but the market just isn't in a good enough place for this kind of release right now, They must think the world is hunky dory and there isn't a massive unemployment crisis all over the place, unless there is a massive drop in price for touch screen and a huge uptake from software manufacterers this could be the worst release of a new os in history.
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  3. #43


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    I surprised that the software makers aren't demanding that MS pay them to make programs (and apps) for W8.
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  4. #44


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    Don't you think it odd Steve Ballmer is projecting fantasy sales for this thing?

    He must know it is not well liked, to put it mildly.

    They have got something up their sleeve.

    Couple of possibilities:

    Maybe they are going to give it away for $30 or so.

    Or, maybe they are betting the farm on this, we can't tell how much they are investing with the oem's and the marketing push - it could be billions.

    One thing is for sure - this o/s is not going to sell itself.
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  5. #45


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by crawfish View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I think the Windows 7 taskbar WAS a huge Quicklaunch bar...
    Not even close. The Windows 7 taskbar merged the limited functionality of Quick Launch with the original reason for the taskbar, locating open windows, and added new features like jump lists and progress indicators. The ability to pin icons to the taskbar is the best thing Microsoft has ever done for the Windows interface, and it isn't close. When you pin programs, you know where to go to launch them and where to look for them when they're running, and you get to choose where on the taskbar they go. The taskbar remains visible so you can take advantage of this and the other things like jump lists and progress bars when multitasking. Anybody who uses Quick Launch in Windows 7 can't be taken seriously on anything, because it reduces the space in which you can pin programs, and the ability to pin programs subsumes the functionality of Quick Launch while adding so much more. Anyone who understands these things and possesses even modest intelligence leaves Quick Launch disabled and pins programs. After 15 years of this interface, Microsoft finally innovated something with the Windows 7 taskbar, and they got it really, really right. Unfortunately, the Windows HE debacle proves it was just a fluke.
    I think they got the idea of the Taskbar for 7 from the Quicklaunch, because you pin an item to the taskbar, it's always there, and it launches pretty quick since I think if early Windows versions, part of the programs was put into RAM at startup if you have a quicklaunch item. I'm not sure though. And, it uses the program icons, the main different is that became a the taskbar and was about 20 pixels bigger.
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  6. #46


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Don't you think it odd Steve Ballmer is projecting fantasy sales for this thing?

    He must know it is not well liked, to put it mildly.

    They have got something up their sleeve.

    Couple of possibilities:

    Maybe they are going to give it away for $30 or so.

    Or, maybe they are betting the farm on this, we can't tell how much they are investing with the oem's and the marketing push - it could be billions.

    One thing is for sure - this o/s is not going to sell itself.
    I think Ballmer arrogantly thought that since about 525 millions PCs are rocking 7, they must end up running 8. But then again, that could potentially happen since until now and next February, it will cost 15 dollars to upgrade. At that cost, which is less than anti-virus protection, less than Office, less than many paid software; some might think that they might not have a lot to lose.
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  7. #47


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    Quote Originally Posted by crawfish View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by gazz9496 View Post
    i'd say microsoft have a bigger problem than just their start menu being crap, the fact that decent touch screens cost either the same as the pc or more is a far far bigger problem.
    The biggest problem of all is the dearth of applications for the PC form factor that are by their nature amenable to touch. Word processors? Nah. Spreadsheets? Forget it. Message boards? Not on your life. Basically anything that involves a lot of typing or benefits from the precision of the mouse just doesn't translate well to touch. Then there is the awkwardness of reaching out in front to touch the screen, which requires you to be close enough, obscures what you're touching, and smudges the screen. I guess programs that closely emulate the interfaces of physical devices can benefit, such as digital audio workstation software, which tend to have lots of sliders, rotary controls, etc. A child's fingerpainting program would benefit. Anything else?
    Pretty much any touch desktop PC always has a keyboard. Even Windows slates generally include a dock, a mouse, and a keyboard from the manufacturer. But I think it's funny how a concern of touch goes back to smudges. It makes me laugh since using a smartphone will have a plethora of smudge on the screen. Even then, just think for a second. Those smudges may not end up on the screen, but they do end up on your mouse and keyboard. In fact, a typical keyboard has more germs than a toilet!

    Disinfecting wipes anyone?....
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  8. #48


    It would be nice if they had pen support that would be good for precision like design and multimedia stuff. Although it still won't be a solution for typing based work. But it will help designers and such. Maybe it is already there but I don't have a tablet to try that feature if it is there.

    After using it I love the performance but other than that I still feel the same which is I like the performance but what they have done is nothing extraordinary. Also they have manage to make the legibility of a lot of the stuff even worse this time around.
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  9. #49


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post

    But then again, that could potentially happen since until now and next February, it will cost 15 dollars to upgrade.
    I'd 'upgrade' at that cost and put it in the drawer to use to upgrade to Win9!!!!
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  10. #50


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    Quote Originally Posted by FSeal View Post
    The Microsoft feedback on the preview releases have shown an almost even 50/50 love/hate split. I don;t think I've see that much division in the windows camp in my entire , from the start, windows career.
    If any normal company had received 50% negative feedback on their future product they would think long and hard about what they were doing. MS though are living in a bubble over this and believe they can drive the market in whatever direction they feel.
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