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Let's have a massive discussion about Windows 8

  1. #11


    Tropical Island Pair a Dice
    Posts : 3,030
    Windows 8.1 Pro x64/ Windows 7 Ult x64


    Welcome to Eight Forums Digital Analogy.

    Agree, it just takes a little time to learn how to use it.
    So far, for me, the advantages out weigh the learning curve.

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  2. #12


    Posts : 299
    win 7 home premium 64 bit


    "Fear of change" =M$ talking point to ANY dislike of Window 8.

    Reality =
    Touch UI is completely impractical for the desktop environment for the forseeable future.

    What I see is many users making completely reasonable and logical complaints about Metro and Touch UI for the desktop and even laptop environment.

    Unless M$ thinks humans are going to grow two extra sets of arms, or hell use some kind of
    "thought" UI for desktops in the next 50 years is to be seen, but for the time being touch is just not possible. The mouse and keyboard will continue to rule, not because of some nonsense M$ is peddling aobut "fear of change" but instead of completely practical and reasonable limitations for the human use.

    Most importantly nobody, INCLUDING myself is saying not to allow Metro or touch UI in desktops, what folks like myself are suggesting is to offer the user the CHOICE of which default UI to use when initially setting up their new Windows 8 OS.

    It seems to me that M$ has a fear of giving the customer a choice.
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  3. #13


    New Jersey
    Posts : 3
    Dual Boot : Win 8 and Win 7


    Just to get it out of the way, I haven't ready any statements by Microsoft quoting "fear of change". I'm not saying they don't exist, I'm sure they do, I just haven't noticed them. It was truly my own conclusion based on my observations. Any similarity to MS responses is coincidental. Implying that I was repeating something already said by MS is inaccurate.

    Now that that's out of the way, I agree that a 100% touch UI is impractical, but a hybrid interface that utilizes both touch and mouse/keyboard would actually increase efficiency. This is what we have with Windows 8. The first steps in the right direction in my opinion. Yea, it needs some polish and tweaking but it's not as bad as many claim it to be.

    The vast majority of the complaints I have seen all center around the "Touch UI" aspect of Metro. Many claim it doesn't work smoothly with a mouse and keyboard. This is absolutely absurd. I am finding it works fine with a mouse and keyboard. The tiles are nothing more than big buttons. We've been clicking button with our mice for decades. Granted, if you don't have a wheel mouse then scrolling left and right can be a bit clunky but the vast majority of PC's sold in the past 10 years have come with wheel mice so that point is virtually moot.
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  4. #14


    USA
    Posts : 79
    Windows 8


    I like that windows 8 seems faster out of the box than my tweaked windows 7.

    The windows live account for logging in is nice

    The file management and explorer ribbon is nice too

    I like the metro start screen and apps if it itself was only an application and not a replacement for the start menu.

    I have a large monitor so I never run anything maximized or full screen. I like windows. That's what it's called after all.

    Things I'm missing from windows 7 is it was easy to search from the start menu. I liked having all the recent items for each program and as well as the recent items list you could add to the start menu

    I tried adding recent items as a toolbar in windows 8 but it couldn't be done
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  5. #15


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Digital Analogy View Post
    After reading all the doom and gloom over the past few months regarding Windows 8 I decided to see what all the fuss was about and downloaded the CP 2 days ago and installed it on seperate SSD I had lying around. At first I agreed with the nay sayers. My opinion quickly changed, however. Here is my experience:


    Day 1 Evening

    1. Installation went smooth and fast.
    2. Upon first boot I went through the personalization proccess. Didn't care for the obvious "mobile" appearance of the screens but kept an open mind.
    3. First time logging into the PC after the initial set up was a bit confusing. I didn't like it. I was beginning to agree with all of the nay sayers. It was getting late so I shut it down and went to bed. The shutdown proccess needs some work. Took me a while to finally find out how.



    Day 2

    1. I booted up the PC and went to the desktop. Started exploring.
    2. I learned within a few minutes that although the start button itself was graphically removed, its function still exists in the lower left corner of the screen. However, instead of a small pop-up menu that needs to be expanded level by level as you navigate for an item, you get a full screen menu with a more interactive GUI. This was the key realization that started to change my mind.
    3. I learned within the next few monutes that the upper left corner of the screen resulted in a list of all open applications. Basically an alt-tab without having to actually press alt-tab.
    4. I decided to stick with it for a few weeks began downloading and installing my standard applications to see what will run and what won't.



    I am now on day 3 and actually liking Windows 8. I am navigating much faster than I ever did in previous versions of Windows now that I've changed the way I look at the metro screen (an enhanced start menu). There are some bugs but that is expected when installing any beta software. As others have mentioned in various threads in various forums, there will be a learning curve. You will have to re-learn alot of stuff. Afterall, change is rarely easy. It is usually hard and frustrating but neccesary in an ever evolving technological world.

    I have come to the realization that the vast majority of the complaints/concerns regarding Windows 8 I have seen across the web have one thing in common at the core. The fear of change. It's as simple as that. You can rationalize it any way you want but at the end of the day it is simply the fear of change.

    The biggest problem I see right now is there is little to nothing explaining the changes to the end user. I had to figure out the basics of navigating via the "poke and hope" process. Miscrosoft will NEED to do something to provide thorough explanation to the end user once Windows 8 is released.
    I agree. I see it's more a fear of change than anything. I just skimmed through a brief article citing what Microsoft has robbed from Windows 8, and it sounds like some people would rather use a nitty gritty version of linux than 8. And yes, there is a learning curve, just as there was from xp to vista, and a bit from vista to 7. New operating systems ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS have some kind of learning curve, but the advantages are there to be exploited. I remember my first few days with the Developer Preview and I was logging off to shut down, then I realized the Charms bar had that right there.
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  6. #16


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by legacy7955 View Post
    "Fear of change" =M$ talking point to ANY dislike of Window 8.

    Reality =
    Touch UI is completely impractical for the desktop environment for the forseeable future.

    What I see is many users making completely reasonable and logical complaints about Metro and Touch UI for the desktop and even laptop environment.

    Unless M$ thinks humans are going to grow two extra sets of arms, or hell use some kind of
    "thought" UI for desktops in the next 50 years is to be seen, but for the time being touch is just not possible. The mouse and keyboard will continue to rule, not because of some nonsense M$ is peddling aobut "fear of change" but instead of completely practical and reasonable limitations for the human use.

    Most importantly nobody, INCLUDING myself is saying not to allow Metro or touch UI in desktops, what folks like myself are suggesting is to offer the user the CHOICE of which default UI to use when initially setting up their new Windows 8 OS.

    It seems to me that M$ has a fear of giving the customer a choice.
    In 50 years, the desktop form factor will truly be dead....
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  7. #17


    In 50 years we will all (if still living) will have direct internet implants
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  8. #18


    USA
    Posts : 100
    Windows 7 Professional


    I have been using the Release preview on my desktop and it is great! And yes, I do use Metro a lot. The whole operating system Is better than the Consumer Preview was.
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  9. #19


    New Jersey
    Posts : 3
    Dual Boot : Win 8 and Win 7


    I'm downloading the RP now and will be re-installing tonight or tomorrow depending on what time the download completes. (my internet speed blows)
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  10. #20


    Posts : 299
    win 7 home premium 64 bit



    In 50 years, the desktop form factor will truly be dead....
    Maybe so, BUT that doesn't negate the practical reasons to cater to those that MUST and many of whom prefer to use it.

    Failing to accept the current reality at face value is a efficient way to destroy a business.

    Scoffing at tens (hundreds?) of millions of users who actually buy the product is very dangerous to ones bottom line.

    You can desire to "will" the future as you see fit but reality will slap you down every time, I promise.
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