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Untechnical and Naive.

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    Untechnical and Naive.


    Faced with huge mainframe computers in my place of work that were attended by a sort of aloof “ know-it alls” I bought a Commodore in an effort to understand. ( I never really did!). Using what was said to be Basic language it took me a half a day to program the machine with things like “go Sub” etc.etc. to say “Good-morning John”.
    About thirty or more years ago I found DOS and a few games to play and thought it was marvelous. Our company then introduced us to Apple and its "Folders" The look was simple to operate, but still had a few “Geeks” on the mainframe (this was the new name for the “know it alls” )
    In 1985 I went into a computer store and there it was----- “Windows 3.1” I must say the Links Golf and the Microsoft Flight simulator programs sold me immediately!. All of the side programmes written by proper “Geeks” that were allowed to be used on the machine was marvelous. I bought all of the beautiful courses and “flew” everywhere. Played “Undersea games” The lot!
    I understood Microsoft when they said that these outside programs had to adapt to play on their operating system and they were responsible for the required changes to software and hardware. Fair enough. They all did it or died.
    I managed to do this all through the years up to and including XP. I had advanced this far with all of the necessary Giga bytes of Ram and dual flatsceens. I was even helping people to overcome their difficulties with running their lovely personal computers and lap-tops I had earned a sort of “geekishness” Never quite made it to the big time:O)
    Problems came with Windows 8 then my ever forward advance to 8.1. I liked the look and the speed as I have now slowed down to an advanced age of 85. All things changed with a “Refresh” I lost things like my laser printer. and other attachments and programs I had gathered over the years. The Games I played like Links with its great scenery were acceptibly gone after XP but now I had lost Outlook Express (and Windows Office) a simple mail program by Microsoft that I had used since Windows 3.1. All of the programs they didn’t think I should have gone. Microsoft were now barring even their own programs because of age?. Will it be me next?
    I may overcome or go to Linux or Ubuntu?? whatever that is I hear they are more permissive? and learn again. I now have “Outlook” with the new Microsoft Office. The Capital Geeks should be shot for this lot.They don’t K.I.S.S. ( Keep it Simple Stupid) any more. What are they trying to do? Is it just show how smart they are to keep their jobs?
    Bill Gates should step in here.
    I tried a Windows Tablet with 8.1. Oh Dear! I now love my Ipad mini even with Itunes?.I could have gone for the Windows Tablet
    John

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    Windows 8.0 x64


    Welcome to the Forums.

    If I could make one suggestion.. some paragraph breaks. I looks like one run-on sentence.
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    Posts : 4
    Windows 8.1


    Windows is a Sentence OK! It may be Life :O) Thanks for reading. John
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    Posts : 143
    Windows 8.1


    Quote Originally Posted by BigJohnA View Post
    Windows is a Sentence OK! It may be Life :O) Thanks for reading. John


    I read your whole post. Hello.
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    John, if you install Classic Shell, you can get your desktop back even the XP desktop or Vista or Win 7, having that and a start button will take a load off your learning Window 8/8.1/10 Windows 8 does have a desktop version of @outlook.com mail. but since you have Office Outlook the learning curve shouldn't be much Outlook is just lots more powerful and secure. I can't help you with Lunix haven't tried to learn it. I think perhaps Classic Shell would make all the other learning much easier and its free.
    I started out with a "Adam" Computer even upgraded it to a tape drive for storage.
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    Posts : 4
    Windows 8.1


    Thanks for reading and your comments ,:O( Rocky and Clint,

    I have been running 8.1 since its "Onset" and I am Ok with it. I actually liked it as it seemed faster.

    It was when I "Refreshed" that it "attacked" :O). I lost some hardware capabilities and programs,. and then I had to Install the New Office to get Email but the simpler Outlook Express was gone.(After I had used it for thirty years :O)?? No Address book, so I had to re do all of that. It was more annoying than anything else.

    I already run the Desktop and shutdown from 8.1 without Charms. :O) There is really no problem apart from the fact that I feel things are changed by Microsoft without the aging satisfied customer in mind.

    I mentioned (new paragraph) :O)//// that I liked Links Golf I liked Flight Simulator. however accepted that I couldn't go on using them forever ,no matter how many courses and editions that I had spent my entire week's wages on at the time. Now that I am retired and probably nearer death :O) I don't have time for games any more :O)

    I downloaded a clean Email OE Classic..... It was free:O) Why not? and it looks as I feel it should and I just may buy it at some time .

    Outlook has too "cluttery" a look for my taste , however, now since I have re entered all of my Address book and friends again I will use it I don't see why they couldn't have at least left me that, after the Refresh as it was called
    Fortunately I see where the let me keep my Windows Media Centre.
    Shh! don't tell them :O) :O)

    John

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    Germany/Florida
    Posts : 4,514
    Vista and Win7


    This made me laugh. I the mid 60s I was one of those "know it alls" because I had spent a few years in the development groups for the IBM/360 operating systems. But PCs I never wanted to touch - just toys. When my staff manager dragged a laptop into my office - that must have been in 1991 - and wanted to convince me to use it, I put it into the credenza where it stayed until I retired.

    I only touched a PC again when my wife went out and bought a laptop the first day Vista came out (Febr. 1 2007). She wanted to communicate with her friends and family. Of course the "know it all" had to set it up - at least was trying to. I did not have the faintest idea how these toys worked. But over time little by little it became clearer and now it is fun.

    I actually like Windows 8.1 but my workhorses are still Windows 7. Only our newer laptops are 8.1 but those my wife mostly uses.
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    Those old type "know it all"s had definite dislike of "toy" PCs. My landlord in early '80s vas a programer for "Computer Associates" i Toronto, would work all night on cards with binary code, never had a PC of any kind at home. When I bought my first Atari 520 ST and showed it to him he was amazed what it could do but mouse was out of his comprehensions because using keyboard was much "easier" as he said, "what's the problem remembering few thousand keystrokes" he said.
    Another one, my nephew has doctorate in computer science from Switzerland, 5years professor at UCLA (voice recognition) and when he came back here I had to repair his kid's PCs until they grew old enough to do it themselves.
    Another nephew works at local high tec institute, very proficient with Windows too but never touches a mouse, KB is enough for him. I didn't even know it was possible. I can't remember more than 10 shortcuts and in the pinch I have to look for underlined letters.
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    I remember the first PC I ever used. It was an Apple IIe with two external floppy drives (no HDD), an amber monitor, and a tractor-feed dot matrix printer. Cost $2500. We bought a couple of them at work in the early 1980s just to see what the fuss was all about and if we could really use them. I even actually wrote some Basic programs for the thing.

    Fast forward to 1990 or so, when almost everybody at work had a Pentium II desktop computer. Found the old Apples tucked away in a file cabinet, and laid them to rest with much ceremony in the dumpster out in the parking lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by md2lgyk View Post
    Found the old Apples tucked away in a file cabinet, and laid them to rest with much ceremony in the dumpster out in the parking lot.
    You might regret it later if not now, those first ones can fetch a good price.
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