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A Possible Disaster With Windows 8

  1. #31


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    Quote Originally Posted by GMan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    I think what individuals have to do is look at these things from MS's perspective not our own.
    This argument only holds water under one condition: That the versions of Windows without the WMC and DVD playback are cheaper than their predecessors - i.e. Windows 7.

    Now, if the price is the same and then the add-on pack to have those features is even extra, then it is a slimy move by Microsoft.

    If not, then it is a consumer-friendly move by Microsoft.

    Only time can tell us which it is.
    "Slimy" is just as easily applied to paying $329.00 for a three-year warranty extension on a computer which cost nearly $4000, just for the price of having an external 2nd monitor.... 2005.... Apple 17" Powerbook... 2008... warranty expires... 2010, logic board dies.... $800+ for fix.... wait... $4800 versus what again? $49.99 for DVD and other codec playback...

    I'll have to ponder over that a bit...

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  2. #32


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    You're comparing apples to oranges (Apple to MS). I'm comparing one specific situation for the same product, only different versions.
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  3. #33


    As Dave correctly points out, DVD playback programs are free online, and your DVD player already has a program installed.

    The guy who built my computer told me that in his opinion, "Steam" is the way to go, and eventually, he will stop including DVD players on his computers.
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  4. #34


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vince53 View Post
    The guy who built my computer told me that in his opinion, "Steam" is the way to go, and eventually, he will stop including DVD players on his computers.
    Must have been THC steam in the air lol. Steam is a game updater, community type of thing: https://steamcommunity.com/

    It doesn't playback video or anything. He likely meant for gamers to get their games there instead of buying DVDs or something.
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  5. #35


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    Quote Originally Posted by GMan View Post
    You're comparing apples to oranges (Apple to MS). I'm comparing one specific situation for the same product, only different versions.
    GMan.. I'm comparing $$$ v. $$$
    A lot of 20/500 vision as to whether having DVD playback included as a "standard" feature in Windows is a sign of "good faith" (Slimy!).

    The Late Steve-O had Intel builds of OS X in his back pocket for close to 6 years before letting that cat of the bag... El Gato! Wait!

    Apple was selling PPC equipment it had already planned for obsolescence, charging $$$ (in ZAGAT dollars) for 3-year extended warrantys and then reverse-engineered PDF to NOT pay ADOBE for using it in their Quartz engine, which they never really implemented the way Steve-O promised in 2000... AND charged $29.99 for each iterative upgrade of QT that could save or edit files, including ALL of those apps sold to edit videos and sound on Mac OS X and OS 8/9 for HOW many years... and the complaint is that Microsoft is GREEDY....

    Let me go add up how many lunches you can buy with $100B USD.... brb...

    Ah... the results are in... just a few more than how many you can buy with what ADOBE charged for the PRIVILEGE of using Photoshop CS Extended at $999 a pop... Now, $29.99-$49.99/month at a WALMART nearest you...

    JUST FOR GOOD MEASURE...


    Let's throw in the guys who lament that their 2010 version of Windows 7 Home Edition does not qualify them for the Windows 8 $15 upgrade program... pass the love arounud!


    Kudos to David G. @ZDNET for getting PAID to tell people that you can speed up their browsing by creating an empty profile..... WHOA!!!! I just had a Keanu Reeves moment...
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  6. #36


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    Why over-complicate the scenario? Something was available for a price. Now the new version has the something omitted. Is the price going to still be the same with that omission or will the savings be passed on to the consumer? That's really the only question here.

    It's a question of good faith or not, at Microsoft.
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  7. #37


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    I'm sorry, but exactly what savings is there to squeeze out of this....? I was blinded by the "Microsoft Tax" rhetoric for A LONG time... but APPLE charged significantly more (hence $100B in cash reserves out of 4+% market share v. Microsoft making how much per PC with Windows bundled...?) than anything Microsoft put out.


    Let's see... Macs+whatever hardware.... 90 days warranty... average 3-year warranty on ANY computer/iPad/iPod model... $99 x 300M units over the last 11 or so years... at... 4.5% interest.... that is somewhere in the ball park of $25~30B USD including accrued interest. They use $3~4B for parts and replacements, another 8~10 for labor, shipping and production... and still somethere in the neighborhood of $16B in profit just for holding their customers' hands... nothing else... and it's tax free because it's all been sitting in offshore accounts... hmmmm

    Sure, Microsoft does it in Brazil and elsewhere. But this "Evil Microsoft" mantra is a bit skewed.... Does Microsoft do the same with Windows licenses? Yes. Does Google say "ka-ching!" everytime an Android phone leaves the Verizon store... with the 2GB microSD card worth $3 as a "feature"... count on it...

    Shoot RAW images and want to edit them on your computer... pay the CANON/NIKON/ADOBE/COREL tax...

    Want to use DisplayPort on your 3-year old HP desktop... pay the AMD/NVIDIA tax and get a 2GB GPU...

    Want to have a roomful of DVD titles that just collect dust 10 years down the road and fill up landfills... pay for PowerDVD and watch to your heart's content...
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  8. #38


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    Quote Originally Posted by GMan View Post
    Why over-complicate the scenario? Something was available for a price. Now the new version has the something omitted. Is the price going to still be the same with that omission or will the savings be passed on to the consumer? That's really the only question here.

    It's a question of good faith or not, at Microsoft.
    I think you're under-complicating things, there are a lot of things involved here, the main one being, how many people use these programmes. Surely MS should be coding for the good of the many not the few, like I said I've got two HTPC's so I should be upset, but I understand not everyone is like me. I personally would rather see a lean mean platform that I can manipulate to suit myself than have a lot of rubbish very few people use.
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    What is so hard to understand about a product with features one day being compared to a product without the same features the next?

    All these companies in relation to the concept being brought up is completely foreign to the subject at hand. This is a Windows site and we're talking about Windows.

    By the other arguments I see here, they seem to be saying: "Since other companies screw the consumer, Microsoft should be allowed to do it too without any negative feedback."

    Or

    "Since I don't use that feature, it's alright for you and others that do to be screwed."

    Kinda selfish, don't ya think?
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  10. #40


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    "
    "Since I don't use that feature, it's alright for you and others that do to be screwed."

    Kinda selfish, don't ya think?"

    I thought I was saying I use that feature but can understand MS removing it. Zenpup is correct in what he is saying because most people will tear down MS but not other companies for doing the same thing.
    Surely we are being selfish if we want features no one else is using. Do some reading on the reasons why they are removing these features I'm sure you will understand why they are doing it, it's for the good of the majority.
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