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A Possible Disaster With Windows 8

  1. #11


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    [QUOTE=BillWindows;89476]
    I understand, you love Windows 8 and you would seem to defend it no matter how bad and disastrous other consumers would see it but that was sarcastic of you!/QUOTE]
    Maybe, maybe not, I don't know if you were around when Windows came out, but there were a lot of people against it. Also look at the commotion over Vista and ME, I never had any problems with ME, and Vista was a bit heavy on older systems but you could tweak it to run well. Funnily enough I had a lot of problems with Windows 98.
    Also I don't see Apple asking their customers what they want, with them, it's my way or the highway. I don't know if I love Windows 8' it's an operating system that I don't mind, and I can see the possibilities for Microsoft.
    Maybe I should stay off the net every time Microsoft comes out with a new version and not listen to all the commotion. Anyway, I hope Microsoft makes everybody happy, but they'd have to close down( sarcasm).
    Windows ME was literally Windows 98 with ALL the networking protocols other than TCP/IP and FTP ripped out. Can't chat between PCs using a string....

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  2. #12


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vertex View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    If Microsoft listened to its customers, we'd still be using DOS.
    I understand, you love Windows 8 and you would seem to defend it no matter how bad and disastrous other consumers would see it but that was sarcastic of you!
    And it would be sarcastic of you to defend the opposite...
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  3. #13


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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenZenPup View Post
    Let's start with a dose of reality here...
    When it comes to Windows cusotmers, you're getting the full gamut, from tech savvy, quick-as-lighnting, knows-everything, can-do-all whiz-kid types who know where the MS-DOS bodies are buried guru, to the "I wish all the Metro UI Start tiles could be the same color" newbie... and EVERYTHING in between...

    So be it.

    Almost to a person, the general population has overlooked a whole slew of "Why does Microsoft WANT Metro...?" reasons.
    Let's try these on for size...

    You have almost no control surfaces to worry about.. no buttons, bars, drop-down menus, Help files, Easter Eggs, MDI windows, etc to deal with. At least 40% of the coding effort goes to designing those elements, TRANSLATING those elements, attaching "onmouseover", "onmoouse", "onclick", "onexit", etc events which just suck up RAM and leave every step of the way open to mischief and laziness.

    Even if a designer/programmer wants to use those lements, Metro allows for hooks for all traditional Windows program elements to be available if need. Other than contextual menu items, there will be little need though...

    Next, let's look at all the desktop elements that are in dire need of deprecation:

    screen savers... GONE
    gif anything for displaying, or clicking, etc.... GONE [BTW, all the talk about how pretty Mac OS X looks, and they still haven't implemented all the aspects of what the Quartz API was supposed to do, 12 years on in...]
    Microsoft users confused..? Shock!
    Doom and Gloom.... uh huh... don't think so...

    Next, how about the "This is going to be another Vista debacle! Run for the hills!"...

    Really? Has anyone actually bothered to see just how much more mileage one gets out of the same RAM, GPU and so forth from their PCs versus whatever VISTA did? Really?

    Okay. Just take the results, by the numbers. How many program windows can "you" (insert self in for testing purposes only) open and keep running without Windws Whatever-You-Have-Now choking on RAM and disk write-oout requests? 10? 20? 30? More?

    Windows 8 on a 16GB PC can chew through 40 open programs, including several ADOBE CS6 apps running simultaneously alongside all of Office 2010 at the same time. Windows Vista? Really? XP? Really? Windows 7... maybe, kinda, maybe...

    This is where paying attention to details is like having the rubber meet the road. Microsoft MSDN developer site made a concerted effort back in.... October '11 of stating the base reasons for why Windows 8 was a completely different OS animal. The core difference comes down to "asynchronous RAM access/allocation". Windows 8 can forcibly keep programs from stumbling over each other's memory requests, disk I/O and cache paging.... meaning? Your chances of getting screwed because of a page file fault (usually meaning BSOD) are WAY, WAY, WAY down - almost zero. What!? Surely you jest? My PC crashed playinig WOW, I couldn't print to my HP deskjet and for some strange reason, SmartSuite 2000 looks... weird....

    IBM strongly suggests switching to Symphony 3.x... Next!

    What really KILLS me, the sheer magnitude of what gets overlooked in all this talk, is just how much is missed in all the chatter. All this doom-and-gloom, Chicken Little hand wringing reminds me of Apple when they announced that they were switching to INTEL CPUs in 2006-ish territory. Other than Microsoft, no other name was more reviled by the Mac faithful than INTEL. Loathed, deplored, despised. From 1999~2006, IBM and Motorola led the battle. And then, Steve Jobs gets on the stage and announces that INTEL is the new Big Dog. The crowd gasps. Drinks are spilled. Astonishment, surprise, add-whatever-adjective-comes-to-mind-here ______. Then, sometime later in the same presentation, Steve J. says "We've had internal INTEL builds of OS X since version 10.0"

    And there you have it. Learn to like it, because we're not changing back.

    The same goes for Metro UI. Expect it everywhere. Expect it for many, many years to come. Learn it. You'll need it more than it needs you.
    This is true....
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  4. #14


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    Quote Originally Posted by GMan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ZenZenPup View Post
    Your chances of getting screwed because of a page file fault (usually meaning BSOD) are WAY, WAY, WAY down - almost zero.
    Not really. Out of tens of thousands of dumps, I've only ever seen this a handful of times anyhow. It's usually caused by faulty physical storage and version of OS will not affect that.

    Welcome to the site!
    Wouldn't it be the other way round...? Crappy 60GB storage media not returning control back to the OS... pagefile gets written, corrupted and then Windows goes "ACK!" Like Calvin & Hobbes...
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  5. #15


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    [QUOTE=Vertex;89486]
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    I understand, you love Windows 8 and you would seem to defend it no matter how bad and disastrous other consumers would see it but that was sarcastic of you!/QUOTE]
    Maybe, maybe not, I don't know if you were around when Windows came out, but there were a lot of people against it. Also look at the commotion over Vista and ME, I never had any problems with ME, and Vista was a bit heavy on older systems but you could tweak it to run well. Funnily enough I had a lot of problems with Windows 98.
    Also I don't see Apple asking their customers what they want, with them, it's my way or the highway. I don't know if I love Windows 8' it's an operating system that I don't mind, and I can see the possibilities for Microsoft.
    Maybe I should stay off the net every time Microsoft comes out with a new version and not listen to all the commotion. Anyway, I hope Microsoft makes everybody happy, but they'd have to close down( sarcasm).
    You do understand that the way things are right now are different than the DOS days. Of course, Windows 95 was generally easier than using disks or punchcards to boot an operating system but that's not the problem nowadays. M$ basically made wrong decisions in tweaking their UI by incorporating a tablet interface into a desktop which is a different thing for many people, especially those who are less computer literate. By selling those Metro apps, they wanted people to move to the cloud for paid subscriptions. They also slashed native DVD playback from Windows Media Player and they would ask for more $ if you wanted Windows Media Center packages with the DVD playback when there are lots of FREE alternatives to either of these programs. Of course I have more reason to complain. A few years back they would say that Windows was "my idea" but that's not the way things turned out right now.
    Now, what we have in the Consumer Preview is a beta build of an operating system, meaning, IT IS NOT COMPLETE. Sure, metro looks like a tablet UI on a Desktop's, but that's because the CP is showing off the metro, touch capabilities of Windows. Notice, how Microsoft's adverting of the CP includes nothing of the Desktop other than Office programs. Windows Explorer, Control Panel, ect., aren't shown. They may not be completed.

    Even then, Windows 8 has three SDKs, one of which is Windows 8 Pro, which has native DVD playback. So what if you have to pay extra for a feature that YOU out of millions of people actually need? So what if you need to pay a little more for features that YOU, as tech enthusiast/home server/HTPC need over the common user that would be fine without them? Really? Some of the complaints are like crying over split milk. Honestly to me, it's starting to get to the point of complaining just because it's change. So what if it's change? Then it's something genuinely new about Windows that many conceive that Windows doesn't ever do: change. In the mac world, you'd need to pay 300 dollars for a unix OS just to update to the latest version of itunes. Now, that would call for complaints....
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  6. #16


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    I don't find that Windows 8 will be as terrible as some think. You know, back in the day when xp came out, it wasn't that hot for a while. After some months passed, and people looked into new PCs and a new Windows version, it became the OS that was used for at least 60 percent of the Windows market share. Now, it's finally under 50 percent.

    Times be a changin', and I think they're changing for the better.

    Sure, there are kinks to work out on the desktop of point and click, but Windows 8 is the transition to something new; touch and gesture. Windows 8 will be ushering the slate and tablet PC and the touch AIO PC. Soon, a user can take a Windows slate with them on the go and not have to use a mouse or keyboard and use the device's mobility and portability conviences. That same user can then take that slate PC home and dock it and use a mouse and keyboard or heck, even a Kinekt sensor, if they so please. It's almost like the laptop revolution, except now, we can truly have the processing power of a desktop PC, convenience of a laptop, and the portability of a tablet in one single device.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenZenPup View Post
    pagefile gets written, corrupted and then Windows goes "ACK!" Like Calvin & Hobbes...
    Pretty much...don't see that as being "other way round" from my post though.

    Other than physical faulty storage, Norton/Symantec is fond of this type of thing too, very often causing 0x24 NTFS.sys stop errors which of course has the possibility to affect the page file too.
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  8. #18


    The only thing funnier than all the people crapping on w8 are the dudes who feel compelled to defend it. lol
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  9. #19


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    Yes, It's amusing.

    Gets the post count up on the forum, too.
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  10. #20


    Note of humor here:

    In 1994, we had a computer genius at work who insisted that DOS was better than Windows 3.11, and he had a point. He could do complicated things with DOS that 3.11 could not do. His spreadsheets were always perfect for the task.

    One day I read an article on Windows 95, got all enthused, and told him about it. He broke into shouts and curses at 95 (not me) because it wouldn't be able to do some of the things he could do with DOS. You all know the rest of the story.
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