Win8 CP migration to Z77 Ivy Bridge.

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ASUS P8Z77-V Deluxe utilities crashes WIN8 CP!

My 1st of 3 i7-3770K Ivy Bridge systems is up and running. I am migrating from a ASUS P8P67 EVO i7-2600K (doh, I know but I have a home for the SB system). I was able to TEMPORARILY move a clone of the boot drive into the new machine and have it boot, but then things started getting hinky (is that a word?). Lots of crashes, refresh failed and repair failed.
Bottom line. Until more evidence that it is capable, I would recommend that folks do a scratch install of Win8 CP onto any new Ivy Bridge system that includes a new Z77 motherboard.
EDIT:NOPE, no good. The ASUS suite of tools crashes Win8 CP with unrecoverable errors and no chance of a boot. Tried it three times. No luck, back to Win7 where everything works fine. And no, I am not going to bother troubleshooting it. I NEED the ASUS tools for this board and until I see it is working with Win8, I am sticking to Win7.
See You Guys. It was fun!
 
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Anytime you replace a motherboard to an install, it is very much recommended to clean install Windows.

The bsods usually fix themselves in your situation, but that's not really the way to go about it. It can work, but sometimes can is not really good.

Basically, your experience is supposed to happen and has nothing to do with type of motherboard.

Congrats on new gear though!
 

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. I would recommend that folks do a bare metal install of Win CP onto any new Ivy Bridge system that includes a new Z77 motherboard..

You means a fresh install ?, the therm bare metal install is a reference to install the os directly on the PC instead of in a VM.
 

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thump. I am back to Win7! The ASUS suite for my ASUS P8Z77-V Deluxe board will NOT run on Win8. Instead it COMPLETELY CRASHES the Win8 operating system. I have reloaded Win8 twice from scratch and both times it causes unrecoverable errors. The ASUS suite works fine from Win7 of course. Since I am using ASUS SSD Caching, Auto Tuning overclocking, and the Wi-Fi Go! on the board, NO CHOICE. Bye Bye Win8...
 

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. Since I am using ASUS SSD Caching, Auto Tuning overclocking, and the Wi-Fi Go! on the board, NO CHOICE. Bye Bye Win8...

Asus AI Suite is a piece of crap even on Windows 7, I notice you have a P67 board; Asus SSD caching is not supported on this board, it's design for X79 boards. Overclocking a PC with Auto Tuning is not the best way to do so, the best way to so it is with the BIOS. Auto Tuning apply too much voltage to the core for nothing.
 

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. Since I am using ASUS SSD Caching, Auto Tuning overclocking, and the Wi-Fi Go! on the board, NO CHOICE. Bye Bye Win8...

Asus AI Suite is a piece of crap even on Windows 7, I notice you have a P67 board; Asus SSD caching is not supported on this board, it's design for X79 boards. Overclocking a PC with Auto Tuning is not the best way to do so, the best way to so it is with the BIOS. Auto Tuning apply too much voltage to the core for nothing.

I did not verify X79 info, but I am willing to take your word for it. I agree with everything based on prior bsod analysis experience. So much so that I feel this is worthy of +1 rep.

All analysts at one time or another, from myself, to John (Usasma), to Ken (Zigzag), to JCGriff2, to Shyam (Capt. Jack) have had success with requesting the user remove the ASUS motherboard utilities that have drivers.
 

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Please tell us how the ivy bridge processors are doing, they have not been receiving good reviews, just wondering.

thanks
 

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Newegg TV: Ivy Bridge Overclocking Guide with ASUS for Intel 3rd Generation Core CPUs 3770K Z77 1155 - YouTube

The ASUS Z77 mobo is the ONLY board that I have successfully used the ASUS suite of tools. With my ASUS P8P67, I totally ignored the suite and never ran it. ASUS made a lot of improvements to the suite including the Auto Tuning (AI overclock). Watch the video above to see how ASUS uses offset voltages to PREVENT the CPU voltages from remaining too high and successful bumping my BClk to 105 which I never would have tried. I can personally verify that after running the new Auto tuning that the UEFI AI tweaker settings are set at a VERY sophisticated settings, ones that I would have had to take hours to come up with. No, this is the FIRST time that I really enjoy using the ASUS suite of tools. SSD Caching is working fine and I will try out the built in WiFi router soon. Lucid VirtuMVP is also something that I am looking forward too.
Bottom line, ASUS suite depends on the mobo and the latest software contains stuff that really works well. Kudos for ASUS to actually make a suite that does something incredibly useful!

PS. After running the ASUS P8Z77 Deluxe mobo for while now, I will be buying two more. I must be satisfied with the card, heh.
 

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Oops, I never bothered to change my system specs. Now I have my latest rig which has the new ASUS P8Z77-V Deluxe mobo. Thanks for pointing that out.

As for Ivy Bridge, an EXCELLENT CHIP except that I would not try to overclock it past 4.5GHz because of heat issues. Yet I am able to get a Passmark CPU score of 12753, the highest I have ever had even with a 5% higher o/c on the i7-2600K Sandy Bridge.
PassMark Intel vs AMD CPU Benchmarks - High End
If you have a high end SB, no good reason to build out a IB system, but otherwise the ONLY chip to buy for a new build.
 

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To answer one more question here, the i7-3770K Ivy Bridge AT STOCK SPEEDS runs 10-15% faster and about 20% COOLER than my old i7-2600K Sandy Bridge chip. All the bad press is the watercooling guys trying to get to 5GHz+ with IB like they did with SB. 4.8GHz on water for IB is about it but the equivalent speed is the same since IB is more efficient. Its a wash until Intel finds a way to more effectively cool the core (which it will in later manufacturing runs)
 

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    GTX 780
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To answer one more question here, the i7-3770K Ivy Bridge AT STOCK SPEEDS runs 10-15% faster and about 20% COOLER than my old i7-2600K Sandy Bridge chip. All the bad press is the watercooling guys trying to get to 5GHz+ with IB like they did with SB. 4.8GHz on water for IB is about it but the equivalent speed is the same since IB is more efficient. Its a wash until Intel finds a way to more effectively cool the core (which it will in later manufacturing runs)

I believe the cooling limitations relate to Intel using TIM "thermal interface material" rather than good old fashioned solder for internal core cooling on Ivy Bridge. I guess they figured with the 22nm die shrink they could save some money on solder.
 

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I believe the cooling limitations relate to Intel using TIM "thermal interface material" rather than good old fashioned solder for internal core cooling on Ivy Bridge. I guess they figured with the 22nm die shrink they could save some money on solder.

The TIM paste issue was refuted by a team who DELIDDED the IB chip and cooled the core directly with an big air cooled heatsink. It did not help, the same thermal limit was reached. The consensus is that there was NO good way to seriously cool the chip externally so why bother with a slightly more expensive manufacturing process.
EDIT removed the part of the post that Chev found offensive.
 
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Didn't think it was that big of a deal. Just a suggestion really. Talk about over reaction. Sheesh dude take a chill pill or something. Now you know why I don't bother posting here anymore.
 

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If you are just replacing the mobo processor and ram then all you need to do is sysprep your system with a shutdown and change hardware then boot up.

Open command console
navigate to c:\windows\system32\sysprep

enter: sysprep /generalize /oobe /shutdown

hit enter and it will do its thing and shutdown. Change out your hardware and boot up, go through the OS setup process and you are done.
 

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Sysprep a Windows 7 Machine

Hax,
This is the first I have heard of sysprep and it sounds intriguing. I did a search on sysprep and it seems a lot more work than what you are recommending. I take it that most of the work that the IT Bros link is for deploying a Win7 install on a bunch of machines all at once? For instance, when do you load in the drivers? How much of your original program installations are intact when you are done? Sounds like a poor mans Win8 refresh.
 

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    ASUS Z87-PRO
    Memory
    16 GB of Corsair 1866
    Graphics Card(s)
    GTX 780
    Sound Card
    Cooler Master Storm Headphones
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dell 27 inch U2711 IPS
    Screen Resolution
    2560 by 1440
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 840 Pro 250GB SSD plus 2 3 TB drives
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    Corsair-750
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    Corsair H00i Water
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it is not a lot of work. It is very simple. They are walking you through creating an unattended installation file which the average user never needs to do. Yes creating an unattend XML file can take a long time. Days if you have errors and do all the proper testing. But all that is not needed for a simple home hardware change.

1. backup your data (better safe than sorry) update windows and all software (flash, java, quicktime, etc)
2. open command prompt enter cd c:\windows\system32\sysprep
3. enter command sysprep /generalize /oobe /shutdown
4. Let it run its routine and shut down.
5. replace your motherboard, processor, ram, video card.
6. boot up system configure bios, reboot
7. Windows will run through like it being started for the first time ever. Have your cd key ready. Once it finishes you will be presented with a stock out of box like new system. Install drivers and you are done because all your software is already installed. Especially if you updated windows, flash, java, quicktime, etc... before you began.

Approximate time 2.5 hours with the hardware swap depending on how quick you are at changing out the hardware. I did my mobo, ram, and cpu with a vista and a win7 sysprep (dual boot much more complicated as you have to fix windows startup info etc...) in just over 2.5 hours

Easy like Sunday morning.
 

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    DD3 1600 Crucial 8G 2x4
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    NVidia ONY XLR8 gtx460oc
    Sound Card
    onboard xFI
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    Samsung 24" LCD
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
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    2x160 SATA 2 WD
    1x250 Samsung SATA 2
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    Cooler Master 650w
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    Antec 300
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    Cooler Master 212 Pus
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    iRocks Gaming Keyboard
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