Is there a fix to a ssd problem im having?

So I bought a msata ssd to make my laptop boot faster, and I had some issues. I cloned over my hardrive partition that has my OS (Windows 8.1) and most of my programs onto my ssd, and I changed the boot drive to my ssd. It did boot, and did it quite quickly, but I was having some issues. These issues included my taskbar and desktop randomly reloading every minute or so, and when that happened, any program I was using would go out of full screen and would be paused. This also meant that if I was looking in folders or files when the desktop and taskbar refreshed, it would close the window. Another problem was that I could not access my metro apps or my system settings. After this happened for a while, I decided maybe it was an issue with the same files being on both the hdd and the ssd, so I deleted the partition of my hardrive that I cloned over to my ssd. Big mistake. I tried to boot my os, but it would only boot the screen with the time on it, and the login page for my account. The page with the time on it also did not have my regular subway background on it, but had a teal blue background. After I put in my 4-digit password, it would only go back to the page where you select which account you want to use. So I would select it again, and type my password in yet again, only to find that it went back to the account selection page. Is there anyone who knows how to fix this? It would be a huge help, as I cannot even access my laptop right now.

After this happened for a while, I decided maybe it was an issue with the same files being on both the hdd and the ssd, so I deleted the partition of my hardrive that I cloned over to my ssd. Big mistake. I tried to boot my os, but it would only boot the screen with the time on it, and the login page for my account.

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Edit - ok read through again Remeber to Backup all files you deem important before anything! (music/pictures/movies..)


[DEL]put in your old hard drive, or even boot up windows through a recovery CD/USB and then clone over that SSD again[/DEL], - oops you can't you deleted it.. ok thats gone..


EDIT 2 - can you "Refresh" windows through the Pc Settings? http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials/2293-refresh-windows-8-a.html?filter[2]=Installation%20and%20Setup


-Ok so from what it sounds like, Your options are to :

1. use a boot CD/USB to try to copy over important files you want to keep from that SSD you have to some USB or External Drive etc..

then install windows to the SSD via the Clean install method posted here on this forum.


or

2. install windows on the old hard drive.. then copy over whatever files you really wanted from the messed up SSD (assuming it shows up in windows explorer once you install windows on the old hard drive) and then format that SSD with diskpart using "clean" command. and then take out your "old" hard drive and run a windows installer (usb/cd) to install windows on the SSD.. then put in your old hard drive and try to copy over the files you want back to the SSD..

Sorry I wasn't specific, I know that's confusing

So thanks for replying, but I have all of my files on the ssd, because I cloned them over, but I don't have them on my hard drive. I called lenovo (the company my computer is from) and they said it might be an issue and I should research oem windows 8.1 cloning. So basically they said that the OS is somewhat tied to the hardrive, and if I moved it to the ssd, that might be the reason I was getting the wierd glitches. Also, the ssd is perfectly fine, but just won't launch the OS properly because the OS is "linked" to the hardrive. I was thinking If I can't figure anything out, I can find a way to clone back the data from the ssd to the hardrive, and it might work again. However, this would be a giant pain in my butt, as I did all of this to have the OS on my ssd, so I could load my OS faster, as I could get up to a 3 minute boot time on my laptop that was off for a while using the hardrive. If you have any idea how to fix the issue with the "OEM windows 8.1 cloning" thing, that would be greatly appreciated. -Josh Creany

Forgot to mention this sorry: so i have everything I had on my hdd on my ssd, so I have all of my data, it's just that windows 8.1 won't boot correctly

Hi,

I'll start praying for you right now. You have a Lenovo.. I had a lenovo laptop not too long ago. I won't begin and leave it at that. I'm shocked the Lenovo support even told you anything remotely ok. they usually just say "go to a service technician or send your computer in for repair".. oh god i have to stop..


can you get into the windows on the SSD you have right now and do a Refresh Windows 8?
and backup all your important files right now.. try cloning back to the regular hard drive.. it all sounds like such a waste of time. it sounds like you will in the end, just have to install windows clean to the SSD and start over..



but in the meantime,
start with these.. you got a lot of reading to do dude..

Move OEM Windows 8 from 1TB Hard Drive to 64GB msata SSD - Microsoft Community


https://social.technet.microsoft.co...not-recognized-afterward?forum=w8itprogeneral


Cloning my HDD to SSD [Solved] - SSD - Windows 8


how to move windows 8 oem from ssd to hdd? [Solved] - SSD - Windows 8

I think the original intent of the mSATA in your laptop was to use it as a cache drive to the regular hard drive. That is done with special software you install. You don't move Windows over to it. If you only moved the Windows partition over the actual boot partition is on the hard drive. I think you need to do more to make it work the way you intend. You may have to clone over the first 3 partitions on the hard drive. 'How big is the mSATA SSD. I run a 128 GB SSD for my OS in my laptop and put my Data on a second 256 GB SSD. You could likely get away with a 60 GB SSD but I wouldn't go any smaller. If you can afford it, ditch the mSATA, and swap out your hard drive for a full sized SATA SSD. It will give you much better performance.

I had a similar SSD problem.
I posted on the Win 8 Forum & received a lot "should Haves" & "don't dos" but NO real help!
SSDs are a NEW TECNOLOGY & little experienced help is available.

My advice to the casual reader is "If YOU DO NOT HAVE REAL HELP DON'T POST"!

My Post on this forum ended with an Intrusive advert for downloading a fix for everything
& the then blocking any further use of the post.

I was very disappointed at the results of my post. Usually I receive concise & applicable answers!

The only one that was interested was Brink.

I solved my problem by setting up a new HD with new Win 8.1 & some basic MS programs.

Then made the HD the BOOT C: Drive & the SSD as BOOT D: Drive.
This was done in the ASUS BOOT system.
Start the cloning as HDD as the cloner & the SSD as the clone!

IT Worked!

But I still have problems which I have not have time to work on.
They are;
Sound will not play on the TV HDMI port. Had to use external speakers plugged into the green sound port on the motherboard.
Can not set up the Homgroup Network.

Both of these worked using the HDD.

If you have success ( You Will in spite of a lot of "NO HELP, HELP") in setting up your SSD please let me know!


That "Old Fart"

Tully

My advice is to get factory recovery disks & start from scratch.

I bought mine from Gateway & think the money {$20} well spent.

I've had to use them twice.

edit--- then when everything is running ok, get Macrium Reflect Standard version & back up your entire system on usb.

edit #2--- Speaking of recovery disks & Macrium, When I did something stupid & had to use the recovery disks, I had My Macrium Image on hand.
When the disks restored 8 OEM, I plopped in my usb & recovered straight to 8.1.1 Pro WMC without having to do anything else.
Of course I was using a Microsoft account & my restoration was automatically activated.

I have SSD's in 3 of my 4 PC's. All are running Windows 8.1 Pro 64 bit. Clean installs on all of them. I didn't have to do anything special or different from what I do with a normal SATA hard drive. The only time I've had issues was when I tried to clone my original factory install from the factory drive to the SSD. It wasn't long before I gave up and did a clean install. For me the issue wasn't a result of the drive being an SSD. The issue was that the original spinner drive was 750 GB versus the 128 GB SSD. I had to adjust partition sizes and it just didn't work. I clean install of Windows and all was fixed.

Tully said:

I had a similar SSD problem.
I posted on the Win 8 Forum & received a lot "should Haves" & "don't dos" but NO real help!
SSDs are a NEW TECNOLOGY & little experienced help is available.

My advice to the casual reader is "If YOU DO NOT HAVE REAL HELP DON'T POST"!

My Post on this forum ended with an Intrusive advert for downloading a fix for everything
& the then blocking any further use of the post.

I was very disappointed at the results of my post. Usually I receive concise & applicable answers!

The only one that was interested was Brink.

I solved my problem by setting up a new HD with new Win 8.1 & some basic MS programs.

Then made the HD the BOOT C: Drive & the SSD as BOOT D: Drive.
This was done in the ASUS BOOT system.
Start the cloning as HDD as the cloner & the SSD as the clone!

IT Worked!

But I still have problems which I have not have time to work on.
They are;
Sound will not play on the TV HDMI port. Had to use external speakers plugged into the green sound port on the motherboard.
Can not set up the Homgroup Network.

Both of these worked using the HDD.

If you have success ( You Will in spite of a lot of "NO HELP, HELP") in setting up your SSD please let me know!


That "Old Fart"

Tully

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If it's this thread, http://www.eightforums.com/drivers-hardware/60006-ssd-drives-post468028.html#post468028 I am trying to help, but to be honest I am having a hard time understanding what the actual problem is. If you have another thread on the go that I missed PM me with a link and I'll have a look.

Thanks for all the responses, and the links are great so that I can see exactly what the problem is. So basically I have a Lenovo Y500, which had a 1Tb hardrive and a empty msata slot. At the time I bought it, I had no idea about ssd's and was wondering why it was so slow, as it was a gaming laptop! So I did research and got a msata ssd (256gb) to put my OS and some other applications on, only to find out that the I have a version of windows using oem. So basically, I have the C: drive on my ssd that was on my hdd, but nothing else. This partition had over 256gb of space on it, which was a pain in the butt to shrink down. I did shrink it down eventually, and clone it and everything, but that's when windows was giving me issues. I have heard that you're supposed to remove the hdd, and put the ssd that you cloned in the hdd data slot, but I still wanted the hdd for mass storage. I would have just gotten a big ssd to replace the hardrive, but if I wanted 1Tb of space, I would need a lot of money. Anyway, I will continue to do research and will report any updates, and feel free to keep giving me suggestions, as that always helps.

Also, if I do need a new OS, I do not have an optical drive on my laptop, as instead I have a 2nd graphics card running in SLI, so if I have to do so, I will need to use a usb.

Also, note that I cannot get into the desktop or anything of that sort so be aware of that

If you go here, Create installation media for Windows 8.1 - Windows Help, you can download Windows 8.1 install media, and create a bootable thumb drive from it. That install media will let you install and activate Windows 8.1 with Windows 8.0 keys and Windows 8.1 keys. Even OEM embedded keys. I have verified it myself. You just have to download the correct version. If your laptop came with core you need 8.1, if its pro you need 8.1 Pro etc. That's one option.
If you still want to clone the factory install you'll also need to clone some of the hidden factory Partitions. Post a screen shot of your expanded disk management screen and I can probably tell you which ones might be needed. To truly test it and verify it works you'll have to take the original hard drive out and boot from just the SSD.

Ok so other than trying to get all of the hidden factory partitions, from what I can tell, installing a fresh OS is one of my best bets. I am becoming more ok of that option, but will I be able to download things like Microsoft office and my video editor and all that again without paying money? I would love to skype or something because I am not 100% sure of how to do all of these things because of the status my computer is in right now. I can't skype right now, but maybe later, somebody can help me with that. And alphanumeric, I will try some of these things, but I don't even know how to find the disk management because I can't get past the account login page

You should be able to download office again. You'll need to know your product code to activate it though. One thing you can try is to take the mSATA drive out, set the boot order back to the original drive, then press the key needed on boot up to do a factory restore. I'm thinking it probably won't work since you deleted that partition but you might get lucky. It's worth a try anyway. You'll lose any files you have on that drive but if it works your PC will be back to the way it was when you first turned it on. It's a long shot though.

Wow, this is already getting out of control.

We have people posted about nobody helps. Too funny.

So now that we have more information from Josh Creany, we can proceed,

1. You have a Lenovo (i'm so sorry), which I know all about, I am on their forums and I have a Lenovo Laptop and already went through most of this.

2. You Not Only have a Lenovo but you for some GOD unknown reason decided to get the Sli -dual card setup on a laptop that already over-heats and can't even use the correct power voltage due to them probably giving you the wrong or incorrect power adapter(look at the voltage on your power adapter) and it throttles and is so unbelievably restricted by the bios etc....

3. you can ABSOLUTELY use your m.2 msata (NGFF) for a Boot drive. MyDigitalSSD which is cheap and works well with Lenovo even makes a "BOOT m.2 (NGFF) drive" specifically for that. (however if the Samsung m.2 drive comes down in price you ofcourse get that one above all.)

4. IF you can put everything back to the original state.. when you deleted the partition, how did you delete it? if the "hidden" partitions are still on the original Harddrive or new SSD,you need to try to keep those intact. - if you want Lenovo OneKey Recovery (you can use Lenovo One-key Recovery if you seriously want to, but it is a major pain as you have to rebuild all the hidden partitions and there is a posting on lenovo forums showing how to do that.- but you really don't need One-key Recovery.)

5. when you bought your lenovo it should of had a directory folder somewhere on it called "Lenovo Drivers" those are all your drivers for your computer to install. You need to see if you still have this and save that folder to a usb stick.

6. You need to make a backup/recoery usb boot stick if you can once you get inside windows (usually lenovo will allow you to make one via a program and also windows 8.1 itself can make a "recovery" drive for you.

7. oh my god you have a lenovo.. im sorry. I still can't get over it.

8. So what happens when you press the "Novo key" on the side of your computer (next to the power supply plug)? it shoudl take you to the bios correct?

9. see what you still have on the original Harddrive. (boot to dos, can't remember if it is f2,f8,f10,or f12 that you press a thousand times as soon as your computer is turning on.) then select "Command prompt"
then you need to use diskpart and look at what partitions you have left on your drives.
ask how to use diskpart here if you make it to that step.

If I were you, I would do what alphanumeric says:

1. make sure you have the product keys for your paid programs
2. save your user files. If nothing else, use this tool.
3. Get the iso from the link alphanumeric posted and make a fresh install.
4. make sure the HDD is physically disconnected during that new install.

Your first mistake was that you cloned only the C partition and forgot the EFI partition where your bootmgr resides. Your second mistake was that you did not deactivate your HDD installation.

SSD

WHS:

I made those "MISTAKES" & still the SSD working like a charm!
Sometimes "MISTAKES" are in the beholders mind!

Tully