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start menu apps... are any necessary?

  1. #11


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    win8.1.1 enterprise


    I have not owned a store bought oem computer since 1997/running win95,[except for laptops I bought for my daughter for university and they were win7 or vista .and I removed the crapware from those ,]and that was the last time I bough any version of windows ,so I might be totally wrong ,but I think a lot of the metro app that show on start screen or allapps are not even installed yet ,just guessing though

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  2. #12


    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
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    Windows 10 Education 64 Bit


    Quote Originally Posted by caperjack View Post
    I have not owned a store bought oem computer since 1997/running win95,[except for laptops I bought for my daughter for university and they were win7 or vista .and I removed the crapware from those ,]and that was the last time I bough any version of windows ,so I might be totally wrong ,but I think a lot of the metro app that show on start screen or allapps are not even installed yet ,just guessing though
    On my ASUS laptop, they were all installed on first boot. Same deal with my wife's Acer. All the factory installed Apps and programs are there and usable. They both came with 8.0 core.

    One thing I have noticed though, is on a clean install on my synced PC's, is some apps show with an X on them and have to be installed to be used. It depends on your one drive sync options. I have installed apps synced on my desktop and laptop. On a clean install, the tile is there, but I have to click the tile to install the app for it to work. it's hard to describe unless you've actually done it.

    Anyway, its a totally different experience on the first time logging into an OEM PC versus a clean install. Google OOBE and you may see what I mean.
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  3. #13


    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
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    Windows 10 Education 64 Bit


    @ caperjack, Yeah, I would never buy a pre-built desktop PC. Like you I prefer to roll my own. Not much choice when you buy a laptop though. I wasn't long before I wiped the factory install and did my own custom clean install. That's when you see the difference. The clean install is so uncluttered compared to the OEM install, it isn't funny.
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  4. #14


    Posts : 41
    Windows 8.1 x64


    should have checked back sooner, but i went to should i remove it
    they had a lot of info there and i looked around a bit
    and uninstalled a few microsoft and apple things i'll never use

    i began to see all the hp stuff and hp update was there
    and it said they send things back home
    and uninstalling it would be ok so i did...

    upon doing so it gave six error messages
    saying it couldn't unload dlls or processes or something
    so i gave it a rest a while...

    i rebooted and everything seems to be fine...

    the first thing i got rid of was the windows live
    (i kept the icons cause they were pretty)
    and all the wild tangent games
    and all the online things i could find...

    all the wildtangent games are still on the apps screen
    and in the games folder too
    with the option to uninstall still there
    even though they're all gone...
    does anyone know how to get rid of these?

    i'd get rid of the store too if i could
    and the games folder too
    cause they made it only for them...

    i have tons of games, it'd be nice to use it
    i'll make my own...

    got rid of the mail too cause it's tied in with people
    i don't talk to people that way...
    and all those full screen things are scary
    might get rid of the reader too because of that..

    videos is xbox so that goes...
    does anyone know if the microsoft solitaire and mahjongg
    is an online thing or not?
    and what kindle is?
    and what the alarm thing is?

    that's about it for now...
    thanks for any help or tips...
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  5. #15


    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
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    Windows 10 Education 64 Bit


    The wild tangent games I think you have to uninstall one at a time. It sounds like you just uninstalled a wild tangent program that is part of it. The Reader App is I believe Adobe Reader. I keep that installed as I use it to read PDF files. I uninstall Mail as I use outlook for that. I also uninstall the People, Travel, and News Apps. I'd never use them. Easy enough to reinstall anyway if I found I needed one of them. You can't uninstall the Store App, that option isn't shown. There are a couple of other ones that also can't be uninstalled. Not easily and not without probably breaking something in the process
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  6. #16


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    win8.1.1 enterprise


    as for wildtangent it will popup and all the games show in a list and you have to check off the box for each game, or check all I think
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  7. #17


    Greece
    Posts : 341
    Win8.1 64bit, Windows 10 TP on VMWare Player


    Microsoft solitaire and Mahjong are simple games (except when I can't solve them ). You can play them offline but if you are online when you open them they try to link you to xbox. And there are certain aspects of them that you need to be online for.

    If you don't want them, uninstall (though I had to go to the store to download them in the first place, so I wonder how you got them if you didn't actually choose them yourself??).
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  8. #18


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    win8.1.1 enterprise


    and what kindle is?
    its a book reader app
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  9. #19


    Posts : 41
    Windows 8.1 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by SaggyMaggyPoo View Post
    Microsoft solitaire and Mahjong are simple games (except when I can't solve them ). You can play them offline but if you are online when you open them they try to link you to xbox. And there are certain aspects of them that you need to be online for.

    If you don't want them, uninstall (though I had to go to the store to download them in the first place, so I wonder how you got them if you didn't actually choose them yourself??).
    ahhh... i bet my sister did it before she gave it to me
    cause i asked her what the store was and she knew...
    i have plenty of mahjongg and solitaire games (hundreds)
    without having to deal with the online thing
    so thanks for telling me...

    hi caperjack
    i uninstalled wildtangent games from the control panel
    and yes there were a bunch of them
    i checked all of them, one at a time
    and they were all gone from the programs folder and the list
    it left behind some folders under documents and appdata i think
    so i got rid of those

    but there are still shortcuts on the app screen
    which is the games folder showing up there
    shortcuts to their website, five different ones
    which are still in the games folder
    under games providers
    with no option to delete it

    there's a choice to hide the game provider
    but it's not the same as deleting...
    where is it?

    alphanumeric
    i uninstalled all the things you did (and more...)
    guess i'll leave the store...

    kindle's gone,
    i don't read books
    i write my own
    by living it...
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  10. #20


    Penn's Forest
    Posts : 216
    Win8.1 Pro | Win10TP Pro - boot to VHD


    The Modern apps (Start Screen) are mostly duplicates of Desktop apps (Start menu). The decision is your to make on which ones to use - you can keep both or neither.

    I only have Desktop apps on my machine as I am familiar with them and prefer them to the modern apps. Games (majhong and Solitaire are not offered in Win8, except for Modern apps - so I keep them). You need the Store and PC Settiings apps as well.

    Uninstall what you don't use or have replaced with a 3rd party program (VLC instead of Media player or Music/Video Modern apps in my case). Reader is kind of nice when used with Modern Explorer - you can view a page that is setup for Reader in text/book mode ... but it also overrides my Nitro PDF rdr, so that I do not like.

    Play with the apps and if you like it, keep it, if you have a desktop version and prefer that, uninstall the Modern app.

    Other than Store and PC settings, I can't think of any required Modern Apps.

    I saw a mention of HP bloat - that would be in the Start menu (maybe on the Start Screen but that's just another reference/link to the Desktop application)

    Some asked you to define the issue a little better - Modern apps make that more imperative. Members need to know what 'start' you want to clean up. Control Panel - Programs and Features hasn't changed so if you want to see what is installed, go there.

    Screen shots are very helpful for members on this side of your monitor.
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