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Windows 8: Biggest Problems

  1. #11


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    Quote Originally Posted by acr731 View Post
    Awesome.... lets blame the users for Windows 8 failures. I guess we're to blame for Vista as well? And Windows ME?
    That is exactly what people did with Vista - by and large people who had never used Vista as shown in the Mojave project. Vista is an excellent system and only people that never bothered to learn it had problems.

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  2. #12


    So far I've noticed that adjusting UAC down then back up again will prevent nearly every App on the left side of the Metro screen from opening. It also seems that adjusting the security settings in IE will have the same effect.

    There is also a bug in Windows file recovery. I found out that if I left the automatic recovery set to default which creates a new image once a week on Sunday night at 7 PM, it will instead make a new image every night at 7 unless you change the default setting in which case it works perfectly.

    The easily broken App functionality is a big draw back considering the Metro interface is supposed to be the next big thing. There are similar complaints all over the Internet so it's not just me.

    I strongly suspect that this major bug will be fixed in the next release.

    I also had a problem with one of the HID keyboard drivers installed by Windows for my Logitech G15 keyboard. The problem HID driver would cause my mouse pointer to stick on the sides of the screen which would freeze the system for a while, then the pointer would reappear back on the screen. Replacing the problem HID driver with another Msoft driver seems to be the only work around for the time being.
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  3. #13


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    Quote Originally Posted by chev65 View Post
    So far I've noticed that adjusting UAC down then back up again will prevent nearly every App on the left side of the Metro screen from opening. It also seems that adjusting the security settings in IE will have the same effect.

    There is also a bug in Windows file recovery. I found out that if I left the automatic recovery set to default which creates a new image once a week on Sunday night at 7 PM, it will instead make a new image every night at 7 unless you change the default setting in which case it works perfectly.

    The easily broken App functionality is a big draw back considering the Metro interface is supposed to be the next big thing. There are similar complaints all over the Internet so it's not just me.

    I strongly suspect that this major bug will be fixed in the next release.

    I also had a problem with one of the HID keyboard drivers installed by Windows for my Logitech G15 keyboard. The problem HID driver would cause my mouse pointer to stick on the sides of the screen which would freeze the system for a while, then the pointer would reappear back on the screen. Replacing the problem HID driver with another Msoft driver seems to be the only work around for the time being.
    UAC settings behavior is intentional and by design of MS.

    IMHO, it's user error straight away by trying to use file recovery. (Yes, I know that this is not going to be the popular opinion, but I never have any issues doing what I want - there is a reason for that, and if my opinion is heeded, then the person listening to it will not have user error either.)

    As for the keyboard driver - I dunno, I don't see anyone really complain of anything like that elsewhere and all my Logitech gear works perfectly. Even if it is not "strict" user error then, it still is in some fashion by trying to use that particular keyboard until Logitech fixes the driver (which may or may not even be broken.)
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  4. #14


    Vista wasn't bad but for the amount of time it took between xp and vista it wasn't exactly a good enough change(in my opinion of course) disregarding the look and feel of it (which is largely unchanged except for better effects) it didn't add big enough features that windows was lacking. It wasn't until windows 7 with the pinning to the taskbar(which is not as aesthetically pleasing as it could be) where it finally felt like windows had moved forward which is 8 years too later in my opinion.

    The biggest problem with windows 8 is not learning. I'm fine with learning things but the fact is it's all about the experience. You also have to take into consideration user-friendliness which is a big factor in having a product be successful. Yes you should learn about something but it should also be easy to learn to begin with. With windows 8 removing the start button is not such a huge problem if they had found a suitable solution. However they didn't. Instead the start button is hidden and we are forced to switch between the metro style which is flat, aesthetically unpleasing and frankly do not add to a better user-experience. The problem here is windows 8 does not give us a solution that does not require the start screen because the desktop instead of treated as a separate entity which it should it's treated as a app within the new start screen. However it's awkward. At the very least they should give the desktop it's own navigation. Having to go into the metro screen to get something at the desktop is quite annoying. Plus the hidden menu was not done well. After reading that metro is their philosophy I just don't buy the fact that they even know what they are doing. While on a printed piece or a sign metro might work on a desktop or even tablet people are not going to appreciate all the simplicity especially when it's so boring to look at. Half the the design is non-existent. It just feels amateur at best. People keep saying to pin the navigation to the start screen which is nice but then that means we are working around their product. We are making our own navigation that is no user-friendly nor is a good experience. We should be given better navigation and not have to pin items on that start screen to get to things that are common. Unlike the apps which we may not use on a daily basis the tools we will need more than not.
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  5. #15


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    Quote Originally Posted by GMan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by acr731 View Post
    Awesome.... lets blame the users for Windows 8 failures. I guess we're to blame for Vista as well? And Windows ME?
    User error is the only thing that makes Windows 8 not work well or be unstable. (Or damaged hardware.)
    I can't pass up this one GMan! Unstable drivers or programs that don't work right has been part of my Win8 frustrations. I had a lot of trouble with Vista when it came out until working drivers and windows updates came along to fix them.
    For example, CPU-Z would crash my computer every time I ran it. The CPUID folks just released an update and now it works fine. This is a MAJOR program used by a lot of people. If they blamed Win8 for the crashes, it is the same thing that Vista had, bad drivers or programs.
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    CPU-Z is not part of the operating system and it has no bearing on how well it runs or does not.

    Bad drivers or ones that have not been updated are not part of Windows 8, and by trying to use a driver not well, that is user error.

    Trying to run an unstable program, again, is user error.
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  7. #17


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    I disagree. Windows 8 is SUPPOSED to be pretty much compatible with Windows 7, more like a service pack than a full blown revamp. And it is, a LOT of programs and devices worked perfectly as soon as I installed them. The question then is how much is Windows 8 NOT compatible and is MS supposed to fix it or the manufacturers? That is the issue here. To us users, WE DON'T CARE who is responsible, we just want it to work! If it worked on Win7 and not on Win8 and then MS does something that fixes it later, that is both a problem and a solution. It is really frustrating to work hard on fixing a driver, say, having no luck, then after an windows update, find everything is peachy. That is a PROBLEM and it almost sunk Vista.
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    You're forgetting that you are using an unpaid for operating system, still in beta testing phase. If you want everything across the board to work perfectly at this time, I recommend 7. Then, if you run into problems you can't fix, Microsoft will support you gladly.

    That being said, all of my machines running Windows 8 are perfect, 100% error free, running at full potential without the slightest glitch. That's because I didn't introduce any user error anywhere. I'm talking ancient machines to current.
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  9. #19


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    Uh, the post is about BIGGEST PROBLEMS with Windows 8. Yes, it is beta and yes, I EXPECT problems and I AM REPORTING my BIGGEST PROBLEMS in this post!
    I am certainly glad you are 100% but a quick look at the posts here in this forum shows that many are not. I am a pretty damn good engineer (troubleshooting hardware and systems in the field for HP for 25 years) but there are some issues I am having RIGHT NOW and I am NOT WILLING to spend hours and hours troubleshooting them especially if they just magically disappear in the next windows update. Yes, users are the problem, drivers are the problem, programs that don't work are the problem, and being beta is a problem. THEY ARE STILL PROBLEMS, MS to blame or not.
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  10. #20


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    It is understandable that the normal user will not distinguish whether a problem comes from the OS, a driver or a program. If it does not work, he has a problem and usually does not know what to do.

    On the other hand I wonder how much control by the OS manufacturer is healthy for the consumer.

    On the one end you have Apple who control everything. Nobody can even write an application without Apple approving it. That (theoretically) produces a more stable environment - although when I browse thru the OSX forums I find those guys have the same problems that we see.

    At the other extreme you have Google with Android. That was the free world and everybody did what they pleased. The chaotic condition of Android is testimony that this approach does not do very well either. Now Google is taking steps to exercise more control. Linux, btw, is somewhere in this camp too - at least as far as lack of central control goes.

    The Microsoft approach is somewhere in the middle. Tight control of key components (and that includes key drivers now too) and freedom for the application world. I think that approach is to our benefit. Compare the amount of available free apps on the PC with the free offerings for Apple systems.
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