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glennc

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Hello to all,
Have been running W8 and have backed up system images on my 2nd hardrive (D:). I have used Macrium of which I am more familiar and also the OS's Windows 7 File Recovery. Both have instructed me to create boot rescue disks.
I am looking at the D: drive and I see the Folder Macrium, got that. Now I also find a folder named WindowsImageBackup and another folder that doesn't use the standard folder icon but something like a green line and a DVD icon named with the computer's name. The WindowsImageBackup is dated March, and the Machine Named weird icon folder is dated the last time I did a Windows 7 File Recovery Backup.
Can anyone please explain the differences on the two folders, what programs control them and why they have different backup dates. Not having used Windows System Images because of a glitch in my W7 machine, I am again over my head in what is going on. If I do a restore System Image with the Windows 7 File Recovery and it's boot disk, which I was instructed to label Windows 8 Consumer Preview Rescue disk, will that do a full system image restore, or try to?
Thanks for any assistance!
Glenn
 

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I don't know about any of that. I can recommend something else entirely though and is free.

Clonezilla - you don't use it like "recovery" this or that, or "rescue" whatever.

What it does is it makes a scientifically perfect copy of a partition or complete HDD. Say the original gets eaten by monsters. You can throw it out and simply boot to the drive cloned to, instead. No repairing, running any programs to get to the new drive etc...

Or, if the original drive has the Operating System but not the booting files, you can clone it then add it to your boot manager with EasyBCD. If your install on original fails for any reason, boot to the other cloned drive.

It's all simple.

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I don't know about any of that. I can recommend something else entirely though and is free.

Clonezilla - you don't use it like "recovery" this or that, or "rescue" whatever.

What it does is it makes a scientifically perfect copy of a partition or complete HDD. Say the original gets eaten by monsters. You can throw it out and simply boot to the drive cloned to, instead. No repairing, running any programs to get to the new drive etc...

Or, if the original drive has the Operating System but not the booting files, you can clone it then add it to your boot manager with EasyBCD. If your install on original fails for any reason, boot to the other cloned drive.

It's all simple.

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Howdy GMan,
Thanks for responding. That sounds like an interesting program. But it sounds like it would be getting too technical for my setup and style or lack of! Appreciate it!
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No idea what that other icon is.

Sometimes you will find it on oem macines - can you post a screenshot of it?

Macrium is an excellent program - perhaps the most popular on this forum .

Windows 8 Image backup appears identical to the one included in windows 7.

If you made an image with it - you should be able to restore it like any other backup image.

However, it looks like it is for the chop.

MS are more keen on the refresh/reset functions.
 

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However, it looks like it is for the chop.

MS are more keen on the refresh/reset functions.


That would be a silly move, IMO.

Have MS completely lost the plot?

Staying with Win 7 or migrating to Linux(?) is looking more and more likely.

There is too much about the way MS seems to be heading that simply
doen not appeal to me.
 

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No idea what that other icon is.

Sometimes you will find it on oem macines - can you post a screenshot of it?

Macrium is an excellent program - perhaps the most popular on this forum .

Windows 8 Image backup appears identical to the one included in windows 7.

If you made an image with it - you should be able to restore it like any other backup image.

However, it looks like it is for the chop.

MS are more keen on the refresh/reset functions.

Howdy again,
Certainly good to know that Macrium can still do the job, I have used it more often than I should.... These are the Folders and files? on the Backup drive. I recognize the folders Macrium and WindowsImageBackup. But the other one that I scrambled the Computer Name on is unknown. I feel it must be a W8 program possibly as Macrium is the only non MS backup program I've installed.

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Thanks!
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Hello Glenn,

The icon with the strange font for your computer name is from Windows Backup.

The WindowsImageBackup folder is from a created System Image in Windows.

Hope this helps some more. :)

Thanks so much Brink,
So since I have decided to rely on the WindowsImageBackup and/or Macrium, that file set is redundant and not necessary. If I read your explanation clearly. I can just delete it and be good to go. You da man!
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Hello Glenn,

The icon with the strange font for your computer name is from Windows Backup.

The WindowsImageBackup folder is from a created System Image in Windows.

Hope this helps some more. :)

Thanks so much Brink,
So since I have decided to rely on the WindowsImageBackup and/or Macrium, that file set is redundant and not necessary. If I read your explanation clearly. I can just delete it and be good to go. You da man!
Glenn



You're welcome Glenn.

Yeah, if you don't want the backups, then you could just delete the icon with the strange writing (suppose to be computer name) to delete them. I would also recommend to reset Windows Backup in Windows 8 afterwards as well so that it will not continue to reference the last backup created since you just deleted it.
 

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Hello Glenn,

The icon with the strange font for your computer name is from Windows Backup.

The WindowsImageBackup folder is from a created System Image in Windows.

Hope this helps some more. :)

Thanks so much Brink,
So since I have decided to rely on the WindowsImageBackup and/or Macrium, that file set is redundant and not necessary. If I read your explanation clearly. I can just delete it and be good to go. You da man!
Glenn



You're welcome Glenn.

Yeah, if you don't want the backups, then you could just delete the icon with the strange writing (suppose to be computer name) to delete them. I would also recommend to reset Windows Backup in Windows 8 afterwards as well so that it will not continue to reference the last backup created since you just deleted it.

Hello Brink again,
I find myself astray from the path, since your last response. This is probably the part I am not getting fully or correctly (my bad). The Window 7 File Recovery which uses the WindowsImageBackup Folder appears to be the same page that is shown in the tutorial that you referenced in the Windows 7 Forum as being reset, so as not to confuse the Windows backup.
So Windows 7 File Recovery in W8 CP, seems to look and act exactly like the Windows Backup or Restore Files, at least on the outside. When I went into the Manage Space it gives an option to delete all but the last system image????????????
So Windows Backup and Restore when used with the backup know button seems to create a system image. This is separate from the left side panel's create a system image. I am confused as to what the difference is between the Backup Now option which generates that strange icon and whatever controls I used to get the files created and stored in the WindowsImageBackup Folder.
I am so confused....
Glenn
 

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Hey Glenn,

No problem. I only listed those tutorials for reference to help see the difference between them. The WindowsImageBackup folder is only for system images, and the icon you have with the funny writing (suppose to be computer name) is only for Windows Backup (aka: Windows 7 File Recovery).

What you are seeing in Manage Space is the same in Windows 7 as well. It will let you manage both system images and backups from here.

If you wanted to manually delete the icon and reset Windows Backup to delete all Windows Backups, the WindowsImageBackup folder and your system images will not be affected.
 

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Hey Glenn,

No problem. I only listed those tutorials for reference to help see the difference between them. The WindowsImageBackup folder is only for system images, and the icon you have with the funny writing (suppose to be computer name) is only for Windows Backup (aka: Windows 7 File Recovery).

What you are seeing in Manage Space is the same in Windows 7 as well. It will let you manage both system images and backups from here.

If you wanted to manually delete the icon and reset Windows Backup to delete all Windows Backups, the WindowsImageBackup folder and your system images will not be affected.

Brink,
I am thankful that you put in the information, it helps me catch on, but due to my learning curve many times is over my head. Somehow, your previous reply failed to show me the difference... Sorry!!! It appears to me as if they are the same thing. Are you saying that Windows Backup and Windows 7 Defender are the same program on the different versions and that besides doing System Images with either, you can also set up a plain backup of certain files and even schedule them to run auto, totally seperate from the WindowsImageBackup System Images? From this question you should be able to ascertain my location in the knowledge of what is going on, hopefully! Am I anywhere in the ballpark?
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Yes, Windows Backup in Window 7 and Window 7 File Recovery in Windows 8 are one in the same, and you have it correct.

Windows Backup has the option to also include creating a system image along with the files/folders you select, and to have them be backed up on a schedule or not. Even if you choose to create a system image within Windows Backup, they are both kept in the separate folders I posted above with the manual extraction tutorials as just an example to show their location and what they had in them.
 

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Yes, Windows Backup in Window 7 and Window 7 File Recovery in Windows 8 are one in the same, and you have it correct.

Windows Backup has the option to also include creating a system image along with the files/folders you select, and to have them be backed up on a schedule or not. Even if you choose to create a system image within Windows Backup, they are both kept in the separate folders I posted above with the manual extraction tutorials as just an example to show their location and what they had in them.

Most appreciated Brink! The light finally coming on! In your opinion, which would you consider to be the better choice, now that I am beginning to understand. System Image copies everything and will delete and restore the image with the Recovery/Repair disk.
Windows backup portion will backup files and also create a System Image which if I am still understanding can be used to restore as described above. To finalize my understanding if this is possible, the backup stores it's data in the funky icon folder and the system image that it creates while doing the backup is stored in the WindowsImageBackup. Thus of I choose the Backup/System Image, I will need to keep both folders. If I choose to manually create System Images, I can divest myself of the backup folder.
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You're most welcome Glenn.

Personally, I like system images better, and find them much more reliable if not messed with. I usually just manually copy and paste files and data I want to backup to a separate physical HDD instead of using Windows Backup. I find it more reliable and more compatible.

Almost there. The system image created along with a Windows Backup is still kept separate in the WindowsImageBackup folder and not in the icon folder. With that said, there is no need to keep the Windows Backup that the system image was created with since they are kept and dealt with separately. In other words, you could delete the icon and reset Windows Backup without affecting the system image. :)
 

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You're most welcome Glenn.

Personally, I like system images better, and find them much more reliable if not messed with. I usually just manually copy and paste files and data I want to backup to a separate physical HDD instead of using Windows Backup. I find it more reliable and more compatible.

Almost there. The system image created along with a Windows Backup is still kept separate in the WindowsImageBackup folder and not in the icon folder. With that said, there is no need to keep the Windows Backup that the system image was created with since they are kept and dealt with separately. In other words, you could delete the icon and reset Windows Backup without affecting the system image. :)

Thanks Brinks,
Your experienced opinion goes a long way with me.... One final are of clarification, it seems as I just did a Windows 7 File Recovery Backup with the System Image. It is or is set up to replace the previous system image, thus I only have the latest. Since I am going to do straight System Images with the seperate controls. Will this allow me to keep multiple Images?
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Well I think I could break a hammer. Help. Somehow, and I will start writing down what I do as I do it, I managed to mess something up. I deleted all previous backups and system images. This left the empty folders on the backup drive. I deleted them. I went into Windows 7 File Recovery and chose the Create System Image. It gave me a error about where to store the image, clicked that box off and attempted to choose Hardrive, which dropped down to refresh as it showed none. The refresh did not pick up any drives.
So I went into backup, chose a location, chose the options to allow me to choose the files to backup and unchecked them all, I left the create System Image Box checked. I am currently running a BACKUP with the hopes that this will create the system image. I thought I should be able to do the System Image Creation with the separate control on the left panel.
Okay it just finished the backup and did create the WindowsImageBackup directory and a system image dated correctly. I went back to use the Create system image control and am still getting the Window could not find backup devices on this computer, then an Incorrect function (0x80070001), Close backup and try again. How badly did I mess it up??
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