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  1. #11


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    Quote Originally Posted by thatmanbrian View Post
    For the past couple of days I've been downloading many zip files from reliable sites and most won't open and are reported as corrupt.

    I've Win 8 64bit and tried 7 Zip and others. I also downloaded an iso and that opened fine. Any ideas please?
    You're having troubles with opening Zip files, and you mentioned opening .ISOs

    what applications did you install? and did you install an .ISO mounter such as WinCDEmu?

    I'm just wondering because I found when I has UniExtract and WinCDEmu, WCD overrode UE's file associations.

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  2. #12


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    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    For example, NVidia drivers are notorious for breaking PCs.

    People have even suffered problems with MS updates.
    No and no. You read too much of inexperienced users. NVIDIA absolutely has never caused a single issue with stability besides the "fan" update and Windows Updates only show faults in already broken machines.

    Hi antivirus was simply to blame and his machine would have seen perfect by removing it. Or any other extremely minor problem could have easily been sorted if asked, after, to supplement.
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  3. #13


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    That's not correct


    Quote Originally Posted by GMan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    For example, NVidia drivers are notorious for breaking PCs.

    People have even suffered problems with MS updates.
    No and no. You read too much of inexperienced users. NVIDIA absolutely has never caused a single issue with stability besides the "fan" update ...
    That depends on your definition of stable.

    A simple Internet search will bring up a multitude of results related to update failures.

    I just tried "MS update problem" in:
    • Yahoo!7 and it claimed 124,000,000 results.
    • Google and it claimed 1,320,000,000 results.


    Empirical evidence trumps theory.
    Except for the last 2 Nvidia updates (including today's update) every 2nd update (for my 8500GT) has caused problems on my PC.

    Last August, the NVidia update for XP, "hosed" my entire PC (the W7 update worked OK).
    I couldn't boot any Windows OS on my PC, because no boot menu appeared (dreaded black screen with flashing prompt).
    I had to re-image my XP partition to restore functionality.
    The weird thing was, the update installed perfectly the 2nd time.

    Prior to that incident, every 2nd update would cycle through every resolution setting (on W7).
    It would start on the correct settings and then try every other setting, before selecting the correct one (usually).

    Luckily I didn't have one of cards that "melted".

    The only consolation is, people claim ATI updates are worse.

    Quote Originally Posted by GMan View Post
    ... and Windows Updates only show faults in already broken machines.
    Windows Admins should never install updates on production machines, before testing them.

    It's drummed into us at my Networking course.
    "Best practice. Never install updates without backups and testing on non-production machines."

    That said, I've never had a MS update that's "hosed" my PC.

    I had updates that have broken functionality.
    There was an XP update that prevented toolbars from being installed in Windows Explorer.

    Quote Originally Posted by GMan View Post
    Hi antivirus was simply to blame and his machine would have seen perfect by removing it. Or any other extremely minor problem could have easily been sorted if asked, after, to supplement.
    AV updates cause problems because of how they work and there are so many of them (nearly one update/day).
    Sooner or later you are going to "crap out".


    IMO, the end result is, always create a backup HDD image, before installing driver and MS updates.
    I also recommend keeping a couple of prior version installers handy (drivers & programs) just in case.
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  4. #14


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    Wouldn't it be easier just to create a restore point?
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  5. #15


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    Quote Originally Posted by IceFire View Post
    Wouldn't it be easier just to create a restore point?
    Yes, but on every machine I use and admin, I disable restore points and haven't ever made a backup in my life (of the OS itself). They simply aren't necessary at all but if you do run into troubles, then I suppose it's good to do.

    Lehnerus, I'm not sure if you realize or not because I've used different names over the years. I've literally fixed 10s of thousands of machines online for people, mostly bsod issues. I know the ins and out of all the drivers and everything about them. I have never seen an unstable NVIDIA driver in my life released for Windows 7 and on (fan one aside.)
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  6. #16


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    Restore Points Fails


    I've had "Restore Points" fail.

    There is a built-in error message in Windows, so MS obviously knows that they don't always work.
    I've had malware corrupt "Restore Points" too (in XP).

    I often create a "Restore Point" and a backup HDD image, so if one fails, I can try the other ("Restore Point" > HDD image).

    Quote Originally Posted by GMan View Post
    I know the ins and out of all the drivers and everything about them. I have never seen an unstable NVIDIA driver in my life released for Windows 7 and on (fan one aside.)
    Good for you.

    I have not only seen it, I've experienced it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    It's drummed into us at my Networking course.
    See here, you're talking from a point-of-view of the "general" guidance for a class. That's not how I think nor need to. I know what works on machines and what doesn't. I also know that Microsoft tests their updates very thoroughly. I do not delude myself that I am going to find a problem that Microsoft hasn't already sorted in their test labs. So if your class wants to teach redundancy, that is more than fine, but I've never worked that way and never needed to. When large sums of profit are at stake in a business atmosphere, of course they are going to tell you that. I'm the type that sees System Restore as a wasted resource on any machine I configure.

    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    AV updates cause problems because of how they work and there are so many of them (nearly one update/day).
    Sooner or later you are going to "crap out".
    Not so much. It happened to McAfee once where machines were semi-bricked. Other than that, the vast majority of problems are from extremely poor driver behavior(s) which produces bsods. AVG and Norton are particularly fond of causing them, amongst lesser known brands too.


    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Last August, the NVidia update for XP, "hosed" my entire PC (the W7 update worked OK).
    I couldn't boot any Windows OS on my PC, because no boot menu appeared (dreaded black screen with flashing prompt).
    See, now you should already know that a video driver can not affect the Windows boot menu. The driver loads much, much later into the booting process. That is basic knowledge.

    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Good for you.

    I have not only seen it, I've experienced it.
    So you've "experienced" it but I'm not sure you've understood what "it" was, to be honest. I've fixed countless machines with this issue that had a particular Norton/Symantec product on it.
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  8. #18


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    Guess what? I was stunned


    Quote Originally Posted by GMan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Last August, the NVidia update for XP, "hosed" my entire PC (the W7 update worked OK).
    I couldn't boot any Windows OS on my PC, because no boot menu appeared (dreaded black screen with flashing prompt).
    See, now you should already know that a video driver can not affect the Windows boot menu. The driver loads much, much later into the booting process. That is basic knowledge.
    Guess what? I was stunned.

    I said to myself, "That's impossible. What has a video driver got to do with the boot process?"
    My machine sat there with a black screen and flashing prompt mocking me.

    The fact remains that I installed the NVidia driver, it said to reboot, I rebooted and the machine did not reboot!

    If it somehow damaged the boot folder files on the XP partition (the ones added by W7) I'm guessing that the machine won't boot.
    "Bit Rot" on the XP partition?

    Quote Originally Posted by GMan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Good for you.

    I have not only seen it, I've experienced it.
    So you've "experienced" it but I'm not sure you've understood what "it" was, to be honest. I've fixed countless machines with this issue that had a particular Norton/Symantec product on it.
    Which issue are you referring to?
    Broken zip files, no boot or screen resolution cycling?

    The fact that the previous NVidia driver worked correctly and the subsequent updates NVidia driver worked correctly, indicates a problem with the driver that didn't work properly.

    OS + Hardware + "NVidia driver A" = Working system
    OS + Hardware + "NVidia driver B" = Broken system (restoring "NVidia driver A" fixes the problem).
    OS + Hardware + "NVidia driver C" = Working system

    The logical conclusion is that "NVidia driver B" is defective.

    One of the standard fault finding techniques is, to replace a suspect component with a known good one.
    If the system performs normally, then there is a high probability (not 100%) that the suspect component was faulty.
    Subsequent testing will determine if that conclusion was correct.

    There are people who swear by Norton/Symantec products and state that they have never had any problems.
    I don't use Norton/Symantec products.
    There are people who claim FF crashes constantly (I haven't noticed this).
    I suspect that weird interactions between several pieces of software and the OS are responsible for most of these reports.

    I don't want to get in a "slanging match" with you.
    However I totally disagree with the premise, there has never been a faulty driver or MS update, ever, throughout the history of personal computing (1.3 billion Google results would indicate that there is at least 1 or 2 people who would agree with that).
    It's not just a Windows problem (Linux and Mac users also experience update problems).

    I appreciate that you tried to help me with my sound problem.
    Kudos to you for trying to help all the other people here too.
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  9. #19


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    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    However I totally disagree with the premise, there has never been a faulty driver or MS update, ever, throughout the history of personal computing
    When I say Windows Updates, I mean (I was not clear - it's easy for me to accept my own version of meaning lol) - that Windows operating system patches are always kosher. They absolutely never cause issues in and of themselves. Many times, old drivers on a system go a little batty after the updates, but again, it's never the updates' fault.

    Now on the other hand, there are too drivers given by Windows Update. Yes. Very yes. They can be notorious through there. MS gives "older" updates to drivers and in a case or two previously, good video drivers with bad configs. On the 7 forums, it was said countless times never to update drivers through WU and always go to manufacturers' sites - that's why we still say that to this day.

    No doubt - and you're welcome.
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  10. #20


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    lehnerus2000, the only thing for sure that happened is that something corrupted the bootloader in between the time that you booted up and when you shut down after installing the new driver.
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