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  1. #51


    Quote Originally Posted by broe23 View Post
    Williamsjesse17, they have released Microsoft Office for iOS & Android over a year ago. They are just now catching up to bringing Android into the Windows OS.

    The current CEO has realized and did before he was CEO, that MS has to align itself with its largest competitor in both the Server market & desktop market. MS is losing ground on the fact that more Unix & Linux servers run SAP, than MS. Same goes for the fact that Databases, Firewalls, Email servers are also being ran on more Linux & Mac servers than Beige Boxes.

    MS cannot even compete against Big Iron anymore. If 10 does take place of 8. It will only be those who still have a mindset that 8 was a failure. Even though they are still running it under the badge of 10. Same NT Kernel in 8, that 10 runs on.
    Oh okay...Yeah, I figured that was the case. I like Microsoft when it comes to computers. But, I like Apple when it comes to phones or tablets. Don't know too much about Linux or Unix.

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  2. #52


    Quote Originally Posted by broe23 View Post
    Williamsjesse17, they have released Microsoft Office for iOS & Android over a year ago. They are just now catching up to bringing Android into the Windows OS.

    The current CEO has realized and did before he was CEO, that MS has to align itself with its largest competitor in both the Server market & desktop market. MS is losing ground on the fact that more Unix & Linux servers run SAP, than MS. Same goes for the fact that Databases, Firewalls, Email servers are also being ran on more Linux & Mac servers than Beige Boxes.

    MS cannot even compete against Big Iron anymore. If 10 does take place of 8. It will only be those who still have a mindset that 8 was a failure. Even though they are still running it under the badge of 10. Same NT Kernel in 8, that 10 runs on.
    Is there something in the drinking water down state that's affecting your thinking, or was it working for the state all those years that has made you delusional?

    Please reference at least some articles as to where you get this crap from.
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  3. #53


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by broe23 View Post
    Williamsjesse17, they have released Microsoft Office for iOS & Android over a year ago. They are just now catching up to bringing Android into the Windows OS.

    The current CEO has realized and did before he was CEO, that MS has to align itself with its largest competitor in both the Server market & desktop market. MS is losing ground on the fact that more Unix & Linux servers run SAP, than MS. Same goes for the fact that Databases, Firewalls, Email servers are also being ran on more Linux & Mac servers than Beige Boxes.

    MS cannot even compete against Big Iron anymore. If 10 does take place of 8. It will only be those who still have a mindset that 8 was a failure. Even though they are still running it under the badge of 10. Same NT Kernel in 8, that 10 runs on.
    Is there something in the drinking water down state that's affecting your thinking, or was it working for the state all those years that has made you delusional?

    Please reference at least some articles as to where you get this crap from.
    Hi there

    I don't agree with the sentiments expressed in the article by the OP -- but here are some decent stats (reasonably recent).

    Like all these things stats have to be taken in context and read intelligently.

    Ms is more into providing service to end users (business) rather than establishing communications backbones etc - Linux still rules the roost here (and has for ages) in providing these types of services -- companies like Red Hat for example. There's a huge difference in providing small business (internal) servers to running mega server farms etc. Ms is also providing an increasing number of cloud services too.

    Anybody who thinks Ms is "going down the tubes" must have been smoking too many of those "funny smelling cigarettes" you can get in Amsterdam's famous "Coffee Shops". !!!!

    Usage share of operating systems - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  4. #54


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    Posts : 283
    Windows 8.1


    With the mention of Android coming to Windows, is this the rumour that android apps would be coming to windows phone? , not seen this mentioned for a while now
    MS are making their apps available on all platforms now, this should hopefully drive up the usage of the MS eco system, which could potentially bring more people to windows phone

    As to Windows 8, thinking more on this, is there really anywhere else the 8 series can go, it has been slowly converting over to a more desktop OS with the release of update 1, and 10 just makes this more so (or Win 8.2 if you prefer)

    I still prefer the way 8 works to the current 10, but am hopeful that when the consumer preview comes out there will be options to make it work similar to 8, making it work for people who like the different ways of working, 7 style or 8 style (or a mixture of the two)

    I just hope MS listens to all feedback and not just that of the majority that want 10 to be a clone of 7
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  5. #55


    Perhaps that's it > The grass is greener down state?

    Yes, Jim, big difference with specialties. I know that Unix and Linux has run on the "backbone" servers from day one. That's no secret whatsoever, but then add that MS cannot compete with the desktop any longer is just simply a crock. 92% of the world's PCs run Windows desktop with 8.x included. No, 8.x wasn't the biggest selling OS, but it did sell. They surely didn't lose money on it.

    He posts from a personal point of view not liking the new UI introduced. Sometimes I think they forget that it contains a desktop to continue to run Win32 while the Store apps are being introduced. Don't like them? Then don't run them. It's as simple as that. Don't like the Start Screen? Then boot to the desktop and plaster all the icons on the Taskbar and desktop as the majority were doing all along. Using the Start Menu my arse!

    My tower PC has been down for the count and I've been using my daughter's and son-in-law's W7 laptop. Here's a snip of one of the desktops. The other one is basically the same. This is typical of what the commoners do instead of using the Start Menu. I've seen many a desktop such as this, including on business office desks. Then some wonder why MS introduced the Start Screen? Let's be real.


    Click image for larger version

    Furthermore, I've been forced to use W7 after using 8.x for a few years. Good OS and to each there own, but how people cope with using this old tech is simply beyond me. It's cumbersome to me now.

    They've been using and refining the same NT kernel since Windows 2000. What's new?

    Don't like what MS is trying to accomplish? Then stick to the desktop. They haven't omitted it to date and it will continue to exist in 10TP by the way it looks presently.

    Of course they're selling Office to the iOS and Android diehards. Great business move. I'm sure there's more motive than just profit.

    Last, but not least; Android into the OS? Please reference. They gave up on the idea of a Nokia Android variant phone that ran Store apps if that's what you mean.
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  6. #56


    Quote Originally Posted by williamsjesse17 View Post
    Oh okay...Yeah, I figured that was the case.
    I see that you're young. Don't be naive and believe everything you read. That includes things I may post. Do your own research.

    I like Microsoft when it comes to computers. But, I like Apple when it comes to phones or tablets.
    Phones and tablets are computers. Just a little bit more limited because of power and screen size. I run all sorts of apps on my Lumia phablet including Office apps.

    Don't know too much about Linux or Unix.
    Nor will you unless you learn it for personal use or go on to school learning IT. Great info on the forums to experiment for your personal use if you so choose.
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  7. #57


    Not once did I say they will probably offer 10 as a free upgrade. I said they need to offer it as a free upgrade for the confused and unhappy people because of a lack of the start menu. If they don't offer it as a free upgrade, then they need to push out some updates to bring the start menu back for 8 users. Not everyone wants to install an application to enable the start menu.
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  8. #58


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    windows 8.1 Update 1 Pro 64bit


    By the same token there are many who couldn't give two hoots about a start menu. If you are thinking that MS will put out updates to bring the Start Menu back in 8, don't bet on it.
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  9. #59


    Quote Originally Posted by williamsjesse17 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by broe23 View Post
    Why should a person need to go out and buy a new computer, just because a new OS came out. That is like going out and buying a new motor for your car, because the oil needs changed.

    If the computer ran 7 fine and now runs 8.x.x fine. It will run 10 with no problems.
    Agreed! That's why they should offer 10 as a free upgrade for those that don't want to buy a new computer or have to pay to upgrade.
    Except that the system requirements for Windows haven't changed since Vista. So any computer capable of running Vista is capable of running 10. The only real sticking point would be driver support. But assuming you bought a computer within the last year or two, you shouldn't have too much trouble finding drivers. Odds are Windows 8 drivers will "just work" with Win 10.

    But again it's worth pointing out that Microsoft is a for-profit company that makes money selling software primarily. If they go and give away one of their cash cow products, they would almost certainly be sued by investors. Apple can do it because, A) people still have to buy their overpriced hardware and B) computer hardware sales are a relatively small part of Apple's overall business. Apple makes the bulk of its money selling iDevices, and considering Apple is working towards the same thing Microsoft is, bringing iOS and Mac OS X together, they can easily justify subsidizing Mac OS X development. Microsoft would have a shareholder revolt and lawsuits every which way because giving away Windows would be like taking a 30% hit on gross revenue. I forget what the typical gross revenue for MS is, but I think it's in the $10bn range, of which maybe $3bn is profit, so giving away Windows would basically be to take a loss.

    It'd be nice for people like us, but it's never going to happen unless Microsoft manages to diversify its operations enough that Windows sales are a fairly small part of its overall balance sheet.
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  10. #60


    The Start Screen doesn't really bother me. But, I think it bothered my mother since she was used to a Start Menu in Vista. But, she is getting used to 8.1 though.
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