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Future For Windows 8.1

  1. #11


    forcing me to use the desktop is not what I want, especially when using apps/start screen
    It doesn't. That would not make sense when sales of W8 are so dismal because they "forced" users to the new Start Screen. So why would they force everyone back to the old Desktop in W10? They wouldn't! And don't. See How to switch between the Start menu and Start screen in Windows 10 - CNET

    I personally don't think it is fair to jump to conclusions about or be too critical of W10 - yet. It is still a work in progress.

    I am really screwed with searching for Installed programs on my PC after Updating to Windows 8.1.1 from Bundled Windows 8 OS.
    I don't see why. I hope you didn't disable indexing thinking that was good for XP so it must be good for W8. W8 is not XP and should not be treated as such.

    Also, Windows is not a search engine. It is an OS and the primary duty of any OS is to facility communications between the hardware devices it is running on, and to run the software designed for it - safely. And Windows does that very well.

    The utilities integrated in Windows (Disk Optimize/defragger, calculator, search, Paint, Snipping Tool, etc.) are NOT meant to be the tops in their class! But basic tools suitable to meet the needs of the "majority" of users. Why? Because most users don't need anything more than those basic tools. If you need a more advanced search program, Windows gives you the option to install one of your choice. That capability is an good thing, not a bad thing.

    So if you need a better desktop search tool, I recommend Everything Search Engine.

    Quote Originally Posted by broe23
    You just really need to install Classic Shell or Start8 and utilize the standard desktop. As for from Metro Screen, the search function still works the same as it does in desktop.
    Ummm, no. Classic Shell and Start8 (which I use) have nothing to do with W8's integrated search feature.

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  2. #12


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    Windows 8.1


    Quote Originally Posted by Itaregid View Post
    forcing me to use the desktop is not what I want, especially when using apps/start screen
    It doesn't. That would not make sense when sales of W8 are so dismal because they "forced" users to the new Start Screen. So why would they force everyone back to the old Desktop in W10? They wouldn't! And don't. See How to switch between the Start menu and Start screen in Windows 10 - CNET

    I personally don't think it is fair to jump to conclusions about or be too critical of W10 - yet. It is still a work in progress.
    On your second point I am in full agreement, things can only improve/get better

    Not sure why you have linked me to the option to change from start menu to start screen, that is not what I am talking about, I do not want the desktop on apps, I only want to see the desktop when I need it
    If I run the Store app or Weather or any other I want default to be full screen as in 8, I do not want it running on the desktop (and I don't want to use the awkward charms replacement every time to select full screen)
    In 10 as it currently is I am forced to use the desktop for everything (except if I display the start screen)
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  3. #13


    Not sure why you have linked me to the option to change from start menu to start screen
    Because you said previously that W10 is,
    forcing me to use the desktop
    It is not, if you don't want to.
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  4. #14


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    Posts : 283
    Windows 8.1


    Quote Originally Posted by Itaregid View Post
    Not sure why you have linked me to the option to change from start menu to start screen
    Because you said previously that W10 is,
    forcing me to use the desktop
    It is not, if you don't want to.
    Can you tell me how to use it and avoid seeing the desktop?
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  5. #15


    Doesn't the link I provided above do that?
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  6. #16


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    Posts : 283
    Windows 8.1


    Quote Originally Posted by Itaregid View Post
    Doesn't the link I provided above do that?
    No, that just changes from start menu to start screen

    Try it out, set up as start screen then launch some aps and desktop programs, for both you now default to going to the desktop

    The desktop in the current build is forced on you, you have no choice (or non that I can find)
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  7. #17


    The desktop in the current build is forced on you
    If that is the case, then how can you switch between the Start Menu and Start Screen? The Start Screen is what you get when NOT using the Desktop.

    See this too: Windows 10 Start Screen | Windows 10 content from Windows IT Pro

    But again, I think it better to reserve judgment at this.
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  8. #18


    UK
    Posts : 283
    Windows 8.1


    The start screen is just an alternative launcher to the start menu

    The desktop is the focal point now, everything runs on this, the start screen is just an app launcher that now launches everything on the desktop


    Windows 8.1
    launch a store app from the start screen, it launches full screen, no taskbar to be seen, app does not appear on the taskbar, it is totally independent from the desktop

    Windows 10
    launch a store app from the start screen, it launches on the desktop

    all apps (desktop or store) just launch on the desktop, the desktop is the default, the desktop is forced on people now
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  9. #19


    Maybe you should get yourself a touchscreen monitor if you are so intent on avoiding the Desktop as the Start Screen is enabled by default when Windows senses a touchscreen.

    I, for one, am looking forward to the return of the Desktop and will until the PC goes away and they pry my full size keyboard, mouse, two 22" widescreen monitors and full 5.1 surround sound from my dead hands.
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  10. #20


    UK
    Posts : 283
    Windows 8.1


    I have a touchscreen monitor, but i want the same experience with mouse as i do with touch

    If you like the desktop, win 10 should be great for you
    I just prefer the Win 8 way of working

    Just hoping MS cater for both when we get the fnal version
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