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What makes a computer slow/fast?

  1. #11


    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
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    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike View Post
    Hello neighbor, thinking of making new machine ?
    Looking at the OP's system specs, that may be the best suggestion. I'm thinking upgrade options will be limited so starting over may be a better option.

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  2. #12


    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
    Posts : 6,490
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    These days, it's honestly due to hard drive seek times and fragmentation. It wasn't like it was 10 or more years ago where a better CPU or a better GPU or more RAM would fix performance issues. These days, it's incredibly common to see quad core CPUs, 4+ gigs of RAM, a real decent GPU (mGPU or dedicated graphics) all being ran by an 64 bit operating system.

    The hard drive in most PCs since about 2005 are all SATA and that has a throughput (depending on if SATA I, II, or III) of about 600 MB/sec. A hard drive at best maybe can pull off 150 MB/sec, BARELY even saturating the bandwidth at all.

    This is why when the Solid State Drive came out, it was a joy of euphoria because NOW there is a storage medium that can actually make SATA III look slow, hence why PCI-E SSDs are the top of the line for performance because SATA is too slow. When you run that modern quad core, 4+ gig RAM, a dedicated graphics card with 64 bit Windows, performance is stellar and solid every single boot.

    Essentially, hard drives limit the modern PC's processing potential because it's only able to process at best 150 MB/sec of data at a time versus average 500+ MB/sec on a SSD; which allows the system to be put to more rigorous performance.
    If the pause/delay is when loading the next screen, its the hard drive slowing things down. If its a mechanical drive whether its SATA I, II, or III doesn't really factor into it much. Like Coke Robot says, the guts inside can't go much more than 150 MB/sec, if that. Not unless its a 10,000 RPM Raptor or similar. Your other specs are a bit on the low side so they will factor into it also. They will slow down your FPS more than load times though.

    The cheapest bang for your buck is more RAM or faster speed RAM. It all depends on what your motherboard can support. If you want to upgrade versus starting over updating the RAM is where to start, IMHO. If your motherboard supports SATA II or III an SSD would be a good investment. I put one in my older desktop PC and it was like I bought a new PC. If your motherboard only supports SATA I it may not be worth the investment though. The low speed of that interface will cripple an SSD.

    If you buy new upgrades buy stuff that could also be used in a new PC if you latter decide to build one. A PCIe video card could easily be moved to a new build for instance. So could an SSD.
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  3. #13


    Posts : 44
    Windows 8.1


    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lunix View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike View Post
    There's many degrees of Slow-Fast, very relative it is.
    One part is Hardware, Processor, memory, storage and not to forget OS too. Each one builds to other so nicely balanced system is best and fastest in it's category.
    Other part, starting with OS is software, on any particular system some programs would execute very fast but other might drag like it will never finish.
    Choosing computer by the software to use on it, is the first consideration which can make it seem fast or slow. Some SW needs as many cores as possible, other needs single thread speed, another would love whole bunch of memory and some depend on storage speed.
    You can turn that around and start with hardware and than choose what SW you will run on it. There's SW that can seem to run just as fast on a relatively slow computer just as fast as on top of the line system and SW that will choke on the best one.
    So, there is no such thing as fast or slow computer, it all depends what you are using it for.
    Thank you for your answer!
    Oh, and - Serbia? Croatia here! ^^
    Hello neighbor, thinking of making new machine ?
    Pa nadam se, da Upisujem informatički faks a i treba mi za igrice.
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  4. #14


    Posts : 44
    Windows 8.1


    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike View Post
    Hello neighbor, thinking of making new machine ?
    Looking at the OP's system specs, that may be the best suggestion. I'm thinking upgrade options will be limited so starting over may be a better option.
    Probably, since this one is quite old. Thank you!
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  5. #15


    Posts : 44
    Windows 8.1


    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    These days, it's honestly due to hard drive seek times and fragmentation. It wasn't like it was 10 or more years ago where a better CPU or a better GPU or more RAM would fix performance issues. These days, it's incredibly common to see quad core CPUs, 4+ gigs of RAM, a real decent GPU (mGPU or dedicated graphics) all being ran by an 64 bit operating system.

    The hard drive in most PCs since about 2005 are all SATA and that has a throughput (depending on if SATA I, II, or III) of about 600 MB/sec. A hard drive at best maybe can pull off 150 MB/sec, BARELY even saturating the bandwidth at all.

    This is why when the Solid State Drive came out, it was a joy of euphoria because NOW there is a storage medium that can actually make SATA III look slow, hence why PCI-E SSDs are the top of the line for performance because SATA is too slow. When you run that modern quad core, 4+ gig RAM, a dedicated graphics card with 64 bit Windows, performance is stellar and solid every single boot.

    Essentially, hard drives limit the modern PC's processing potential because it's only able to process at best 150 MB/sec of data at a time versus average 500+ MB/sec on a SSD; which allows the system to be put to more rigorous performance.
    If the pause/delay is when loading the next screen, its the hard drive slowing things down. If its a mechanical drive whether its SATA I, II, or III doesn't really factor into it much. Like Coke Robot says, the guts inside can't go much more than 150 MB/sec, if that. Not unless its a 10,000 RPM Raptor or similar. Your other specs are a bit on the low side so they will factor into it also. They will slow down your FPS more than load times though.

    The cheapest bang for your buck is more RAM or faster speed RAM. It all depends on what your motherboard can support. If you want to upgrade versus starting over updating the RAM is where to start, IMHO. If your motherboard supports SATA II or III an SSD would be a good investment. I put one in my older desktop PC and it was like I bought a new PC. If your motherboard only supports SATA I it may not be worth the investment though. The low speed of that interface will cripple an SSD.

    If you buy new upgrades buy stuff that could also be used in a new PC if you latter decide to build one. A PCIe video card could easily be moved to a new build for instance. So could an SSD.
    Makes sense. Thank you!
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  6. #16


    It's sometimes quite amazing with what you (or I) can do with a PC that looks like it came over on the Mayflower.

    I built my own Desktop, in 2005 and it will run off and hide from many of the new PC's today, with an AMD Athlon, X2, 5200+ cpu.

    I have an old eMachine, vintage 2006, that's running Windows 7 Ultimate/32 and doing all my Graphics for me, with an AMD Athlon, X2, 3000+, cpu.

    Many of the older processors are still very capable today, if properly set up and with an OS that's tweaked and tuned to run on them.

    I was given a Dell laptop, vintage 2006, that had XP Home as its original OS, that's running Windows 8.1 Pro/32 like it just came out of the factory.

    The OP's spec's are not anything I don't see every day in my computer business, but with lots of TLC, that computer can be made to run very well indeed. Maybe just a few new parts, will overcome a few inherent limitations.

    Then there are a few simple performance tweaks that can practically double a PC's efficiency (speed). Windows is a horrible OS for performance, with all its built in Safe-Defaults.

    The Commodore 64 was likewise riddled with Safe-Defaults.....so I re-wrote that OS and then the little C-64 became a pretty nice little computer, for an 8 bit machine. I was sad to see Commodore go out of business.

    Sorry for the walk down memory lane.

    TechnoMage
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  7. #17


    Actually, it's games that need faster and more powerful computers mostly. Many ask me about which kind of computer they need and when asked what they need ti for the answer is," Well, you know... just for internet and for kids to play games, nothing special" than I have trouble explaining that "Just for kids to play games" part is what's going to cost them double. You can crunch a giant spreadsheet in one second on a single core computer and built in video card with 2 GB RAM, but just try any new game and it would not even start or be usable on it. Even Youtube videos need a 2core @2GHz nowadays.
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  8. #18


    I think jumping up to something like a Core 2 Duo E6550 2.33GHz CPU would increase your computer performance.
    Several my friends have been buying these with satisfaction. 1 had PC-6400 DDR2 RAM and the rest of them have PC-5300 DDR2 RAM.
    Some friends upgrade them to Windows 8 without a problem. The others like Windows 7 or can't afford to upgrade.
    Windows 7 64 - bit comes installed on this motherboard which allows you to increase the ram up to 8 GB.


    Lenovo M57 Desktop PC - Intel Core 2 Duo E6550 2.33GHz, 2GB Memory, 80GB HDD, DVD, Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (Off-Lease) $129

    More Refurbished
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  9. #19


    Posts : 44
    Windows 8.1


    Quote Originally Posted by TechnoMage View Post
    It's sometimes quite amazing with what you (or I) can do with a PC that looks like it came over on the Mayflower.

    I built my own Desktop, in 2005 and it will run off and hide from many of the new PC's today, with an AMD Athlon, X2, 5200+ cpu.

    I have an old eMachine, vintage 2006, that's running Windows 7 Ultimate/32 and doing all my Graphics for me, with an AMD Athlon, X2, 3000+, cpu.

    Many of the older processors are still very capable today, if properly set up and with an OS that's tweaked and tuned to run on them.

    I was given a Dell laptop, vintage 2006, that had XP Home as its original OS, that's running Windows 8.1 Pro/32 like it just came out of the factory.

    The OP's spec's are not anything I don't see every day in my computer business, but with lots of TLC, that computer can be made to run very well indeed. Maybe just a few new parts, will overcome a few inherent limitations.

    Then there are a few simple performance tweaks that can practically double a PC's efficiency (speed). Windows is a horrible OS for performance, with all its built in Safe-Defaults.

    The Commodore 64 was likewise riddled with Safe-Defaults.....so I re-wrote that OS and then the little C-64 became a pretty nice little computer, for an 8 bit machine. I was sad to see Commodore go out of business.

    Sorry for the walk down memory lane.

    TechnoMage
    No, I thank you for this, things like that are always nice to hear Although I think you do need to know a bit more than an average user to make it all work. I myself dont though.
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  10. #20


    Posts : 44
    Windows 8.1


    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike View Post
    Actually, it's games that need faster and more powerful computers mostly. Many ask me about which kind of computer they need and when asked what they need ti for the answer is," Well, you know... just for internet and for kids to play games, nothing special" than I have trouble explaining that "Just for kids to play games" part is what's going to cost them double. You can crunch a giant spreadsheet in one second on a single core computer and built in video card with 2 GB RAM, but just try any new game and it would not even start or be usable on it. Even Youtube videos need a 2core @2GHz nowadays.
    Understandable
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