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Please help me avoid wasted time! (Services issue)

  1. #1


    Detroit
    Posts : 68
    Windows 8.1 Enterprise x64

    Please help me avoid wasted time! (Services issue)


    Ugh! I should have learned my lesson by now. Always keep a list of disabled services as you disable them! I spent a dramatic amount of time referencing 2-3 resources for each service I disabled and have had no issues up until now.

    I disabled a few in a row without restarting and managed to forget which they were.

    This has caused two issues which I need help resolving. If I can't/don't - the end result will be me having to reset them all to default, go through them one by one again - AND STILL not know which was the one(s) that caused my problem(s) which will risk the same thing happening again.

    Without further adieu

    1) I set an account picture to my Microsoft.net account for windows 8.1x64 (the one that pops up when you turn on your PC and have to enter your password right after the lock screen but before windows) and after a restart, it disappears and goes back to the default grey square with a white outline of an avatar)

    2) all my installed programs disappeared on the start screen! It's literally blank. I didn't have much due to it being a fairly new install but they all disappeared including PC settings and metro store (the two metro apps I had left). I checked if the apps still worked (mumble for example because it also disappeared) and they did, but if you go under program data/start menu/programs etc, all the folders with the app shortcuts in them are gone!

    I tried to reinstall mumble; and it reinstalled fine, but still NO folder w shortcut being placed in the start menu therefore nothing being put on the start/apps screen.

    What on earth could be doing this service wise?

    I know it's a lot to read guys - sorry!

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  2. #2


    Central IL
    Posts : 3,468
    Linux Mint 17.2


    I rarely disable services. The great thing about Windows 8.x.x. Is that it will now decide which services need to be running or go into a standby mode if not needed.

    The one that I do turn off is the BlueTooth service on those units that do not have Bluetooth adapters. Indexing is an iffy, due to it is used by File History when backing up.
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  3. #3


    San Jose - California
    Posts : 2,847
    8.1x64PWMC Ubuntu14.04x64 MintMate17x64


    Just go to this link where he has all the services listed and their default settings. Select the column that applies to your Windows version then set the services back to their defaults:
    » Black Viper?s Windows 8.1 Service Configurations
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    Posts : 328
    Windows 8.1 (x64)


    I might be wrong but I think Disabling / Shutting down a service is logged by Windows. Control Panel > System and Security > Administrative Tools > Event Viewer (You might need to run this as administrator to be able to see everything logged)
    This should help you remember which services you changed/disabled last.
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  5. #5


    Detroit
    Posts : 68
    Windows 8.1 Enterprise x64


    I didn't in the past, but it certainly cut down my boot time dramatically and I figured if in gonna do that I might as well do it to it's best/extreme.

    The account pic I think may be a result of my backup PC somehow linking as having no pic as opposed to taking the pic that was on my PC. Could be wrong though.

    Regardless installed programs not showing up is an issue and has me stumped.

    I know someone with thorough knowledge of services will pop on eventually: their are only so many it could be. As you said many don't run unless triggered anyhow so id imagine it's one of those which starts automatically.

    Appears the information provided on the sites I used were/was limited or happened to leave that part out

    Thanks for the reply!
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    I'm going to +1, the post to use the info on the "Black Viper's" web site.

    I went through that one service by one service thing way back in the early XP days. If I remember correctly (that was actually a long time ago now) doing a System Restore fixed my mess-ups, and there were many.

    After I found the information about Services on the Black Viper's site, I determined what Services I wanted to either Shut Down all together or change to "Manual"..... I wrote those services into a batch file so I could just run it on any PC and in a few seconds have the job done, without any mistakes. On XP I was shutting down up to 24 Services and on Windows 8.1 that count goes up to almost 40.

    I'll gladly share that batch file structure with anyone who needs it. I won't post it here.

    Good Luck

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    Addendum, to my last post:

    Speeding up your boot process can also be accomplished by doing this fairly simple procedure.

    (I didn't dream this up.....I found it on the WWW, and it does seem to work. I use it on all my own PC's, from XP to 8.1)

    Shorten the Boot Time in XP, Vista & Windows 7 & 8, 8.1

    Go to the start button, choose run, then type msconfig and press Ok.
    On the system configuration window, choose the "Boot.INI" tab.

    Check “No Gui Boot”, then lower the timeout to a more manageable time.
    I choose 3 seconds instead of 30. (windows won’t accept a lower number than 3)

    Next choose advanced options.
    This is where you can choose how many processors you have.
    Most modern PC's are duo core (2 processors) with some quad core (4 processors)
    or even six core....So select the number of cores you actually have then choose OK.
    The Windows default is only 1 core.

    Now choose apply and OK, reboot and you should see a marked decrease in boot time,
    And an Increase in Run-Time efficiency.


    There are even more tweaks to speed up a PC, but every time I post them, I get flamed by some
    self proclaimed 'Expert' who says they can't work. Sorry about that.

    Cheers Mates!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TechnoMage View Post
    Addendum, to my last post:

    Speeding up your boot process can also be accomplished by doing this fairly simple procedure.

    (I didn't dream this up.....I found it on the WWW, and it does seem to work. I use it on all my own PC's, from XP to 8.1)

    Shorten the Boot Time in XP, Vista & Windows 7 & 8, 8.1

    Go to the start button, choose run, then type msconfig and press Ok.
    On the system configuration window, choose the "Boot.INI" tab.

    Check “No Gui Boot”, then lower the timeout to a more manageable time.
    I choose 3 seconds instead of 30. (windows won’t accept a lower number than 3)

    Next choose advanced options.
    This is where you can choose how many processors you have.
    Most modern PC's are duo core (2 processors) with some quad core (4 processors)
    or even six core....So select the number of cores you actually have then choose OK.
    The Windows default is only 1 core.

    Now choose apply and OK, reboot and you should see a marked decrease in boot time,
    And an Increase in Run-Time efficiency.


    There are even more tweaks to speed up a PC, but every time I post them, I get flamed by some
    self proclaimed 'Expert' who says they can't work. Sorry about that.

    Cheers Mates!

    Just a small addendum to "So select the number of cores you actually have then choose OK"
    Set the number of cores to maximum you can see there, some processors count hyperthreads as actual Cores so if it's not set to maximum, you might be missing on that feature. At same place you can find "Maximum memory", uncheck that if you do not need to restrict memory usage.
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    Regarding the "Number of processors" option in msconfig.

    This setting and other of the boot options have been widely misrepresented on the Internet, going all the way back to the early days of XP. The level of knowledge displayed on these "tweaking" sites is usually very low. In many cases the article is simply a copy of one found elsewhere. You know it is a copy because it uses the same phrases, the same misspelled words. Few of these authors have any idea of what real testing means, let alone how to do it, let alone have actually done it. The extent of testing is usually "It feels faster". This kind of testing is highly subjective and much prone to the placebo effect. Real testing is far more complex than most people imagine.

    The advanced boot options are contained in the boot configuration file (name and location depends on the OS). They are all optional parameters. If present the defined values will override the default values. The msconfig utility proves a simple way to set the more commonly used options.

    In the case of the "Number of Processors" option the default behavior is to use all available processors. For the large majority of cases this will be appropriate. But for testing purposes it may be desirable to limit this value. For example, a software developer may wish to restrict the number of cores to test how an application works with fewer cores than on the development system. Similarly for the "Maximum Memory" option.

    When the msconfig dialog is closed with the "OK" button the dialog code examines the state of the checkbox. If set, the appropriate option is set in the configuration file, otherwise it is removed. The default number of cores is displayed as "1". But unless the checkbox is checked this value never leaves the dialog and the boot process never sees it. It simply use whatever the system has.

    I don't have any inside knowledge of how the msconfig dialog works. But I am a programmer (amateur) and know how these things are normally done.

    The "Number of Processors" option is relatively harmless. Not so the "Maximum Memory" option. Many people will set this, reboot, and all seems well. Months later the memory is upgraded, but the boot options remain the same. Needless to say this has been long forgotten. The result is that the upgrade appears to do nothing. This often results in hours of troubleshooting, days of back and forth discussion on a forum. I am sure in many cases the issue is never resolved.

    I hope this clears up some of the confusion.
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    Number of processor cores setting I experienced few times myself with Wun7 and Win8, When any of them were clean installed both of them showed one core working. First noticed with Win 7 when I was troubleshooting low speed I was experiencing and used SpeedFan to monitor and it shoved only one core. Later on checked with other monitoring programs and all showed only one core running. I checked Advanced boot options in Msconfig for another matter and found setting for cores to be one. It first I thought it was for boot time only but after setting at two cores (had a two core Athlon II at the time) all test programs showed both cores being used. Same thing happened with Win8 but at that time had a 4 core processor and with same symptoms except that Win8 (at that time it was RC version) was happier running on one core than 7 was. I never tried with the box unchecked till later on and than it was the same when one or all cores were set. It might be different with other platforms or BIOSs but this was in my case. Mind you, the performance of windows itself was not affected much but that of some programs was very pronounced.
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