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  1. #91


    Manchester CT
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    Windows 8.1 Pro 64 bit GA


    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    The closest problem I had to what you're describing, was a dodgy SATA controller/port on my MB.

    I have 3 HDDs (1x OS HDD, 2x data HDDs).
    My PC would lock up for 10 - 15 seconds, whenever I tried to access on one of my data HDDs.
    I eventually found a SATA port combination that didn't lock up.
    Heh, that sound more like your drives were sleeping and they took a while to spin up...

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  2. #92


    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    The closest problem I had to what you're describing, was a dodgy SATA controller/port on my MB.

    I have 3 HDDs (1x OS HDD, 2x data HDDs).
    My PC would lock up for 10 - 15 seconds, whenever I tried to access on one of my data HDDs.
    I eventually found a SATA port combination that didn't lock up.
    This is a different problem. What you are describing is a temporary problem. In my situation, there is no recovery unless you hold the power button to restart the machine. I'm sort of hoping that I can prove that this is a hardware fault because then I can get Best Buy to replace my computer with a different model at no cost to me. However, if this is something wrong with the software, then I will only get a fix if Microsoft sees the problem and fixes it. I sent them crash data back during the dev preview and I still have the problem here in the Consumer preview.
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  3. #93


    Adelaide
    Posts : 1,338
    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)

    Re-powering


    Quote Originally Posted by johnpombrio View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    The closest problem I had to what you're describing, was a dodgy SATA controller/port on my MB.

    I have 3 HDDs (1x OS HDD, 2x data HDDs).
    My PC would lock up for 10 - 15 seconds, whenever I tried to access on one of my data HDDs.
    I eventually found a SATA port combination that didn't lock up.
    Heh, that sound more like your drives were sleeping and they took a while to spin up...
    I should have said "at least 10 - 15 seconds".
    It was often much longer.

    I suspected a faulty HDD.
    My friend suggested that I swap the SATA port connections around.
    When I did that, the problem appeared on one of my other HDDs.
    As a result, I don't think that it was a HDD spin-up problem.

    Since I reallocated my HDD SATA ports, the problem has never recurred.

    Quote Originally Posted by freelancer91 View Post
    This is a different problem. What you are describing is a temporary problem. In my situation, there is no recovery unless you hold the power button to restart the machine.
    I realise that, however there are HW problems that solve themselves with restarts.

    Your problem disappears (temporarily) when you re-power your machine.
    It's possible that some device has dodgy onboard memory.

    There are the Windows problems (SW) that are solved by restarts (memory corruption?).

    Do you have access to a Linux Live CD (Ubuntu, Mint, etc.)?
    If so, run Linux on your machine and see if the problem occurs.

    If it does, I'd be tempted to say it's a HW problem.
    If it doesn't, I'd be tempted to say it's a SW problem.
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  4. #94


    Posts : 37
    Windows 7


    Quote Originally Posted by freelancer91 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    The closest problem I had to what you're describing, was a dodgy SATA controller/port on my MB.

    I have 3 HDDs (1x OS HDD, 2x data HDDs).
    My PC would lock up for 10 - 15 seconds, whenever I tried to access on one of my data HDDs.
    I eventually found a SATA port combination that didn't lock up.
    This is a different problem. What you are describing is a temporary problem. In my situation, there is no recovery unless you hold the power button to restart the machine. I'm sort of hoping that I can prove that this is a hardware fault because then I can get Best Buy to replace my computer with a different model at no cost to me. However, if this is something wrong with the software, then I will only get a fix if Microsoft sees the problem and fixes it. I sent them crash data back during the dev preview and I still have the problem here in the Consumer preview.
    Since it works in Windows 7, it definitely feels like a driver problem

    It would be interesting to try and import every single driver from Windows 7 to Windows 8 and see what happens. Unfortunately, due to issues relating to driver signing, it won't work with all drivers (not even with driver signature verification turned off).
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  5. #95


    Adelaide
    Posts : 1,338
    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)

    My Bad


    Quote Originally Posted by nbulp View Post
    Since it works in Windows 7, it definitely feels like a driver problem
    My bad.

    I have that problem with my MB sound driver.
    W8 CP can't/won't install it correctly (it works in XP, W7 & W8 DP).
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  6. #96


    Portsmouth Hants
    Posts : 772
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    You can sign your own drivers:

    Install unsigned drivers in Windows 7 - Operating Systems

    There is an option "Disable Vista Driver signing". This works for Windows Vista as well as for Windows 7, the entry in the BCD is actually loadoptions DDISABLE_INTEGRITY_CHECKS you can also use the builtin BCDEDIT and type bcdedit -set loadoptions DDISABLE_INTEGRITY_CHECKS in a CMD prompt.
    and

    How to install unsigned drivers - Matthew van Eerde's web log - Site Home - MSDN Blogs


    1
    In Windows 8 Developer Preview, the F8 experience has been reworked. Hit Shift-F8 instead.
    2
    2
    Some BIOSes have an issue where Shift is not sent to Windows this early. If you have Windows 8 Developer Preview installed one of these machines there's another way - hit F10 during boot to get to the "Edit Boot Options" screen. Add /DDISABLE_INTEGRITY_CHECKS to the boot flags.*
    The boot options editor works fine in Windows 7 and W8CP too.

    More here:

    BCDEdit /set

    Introduction to Test-Signing
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  7. #97


    Calling it a driver problem and having the user fix it himself is only a temporary solution. I maintain that this is an OS problem at its heart because when I install a windows operating system on a computer like this (which never complained under 7) I expect the bloody thing to not crash every few hours. If that is your starting position from a fresh install, something has gone terribly wrong with the OS. An OS should provide any machine that it was meant to be installed on with stable drivers. What does it say about Microsoft if this issue isn't resolved around the time the RTM is released? This computer is not even 3 years old. I'd expect Apple to drop support for their devices after that amount of time (as they pretty much did with my first gen touch) but not Microsoft.
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  8. #98


    Manchester CT
    Posts : 693
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64 bit GA


    My machine's gremlins still seems to be related to hard drive activity. I have a program that will pretty much consistently crash the system (AIDA64 Extreme) when writing to drive. I did turn off write caching on my drives and things SEEM to be stable now (famous last words).

    Cannot blame MS for bad drivers (esp on a FREE operating system- heh). Vista had tons of troubles with 3rd party vendors having written terrible drivers- I am looking at you, NVidia. that is one of the reasons why VISTA had such a bad rap.

    freelancer, almost time to pull the plug on Win8, eh? I was about ready to go back to Win7 until my hang-ups went away (for now). Did NOT have a problem at all with Win8 DP.
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  9. #99


    Posts : 1,851
    8250 x86 + 7 SP1 x86 + Ubuntu 12.04 LTS x86


    Quote Originally Posted by freelancer91 View Post
    Calling it a driver problem and having the user fix it himself is only a temporary solution. I maintain that this is an OS problem at its heart because when I install a windows operating system on a computer like this (which never complained under 7) I expect the bloody thing to not crash every few hours. If that is your starting position from a fresh install, something has gone terribly wrong with the OS. An OS should provide any machine that it was meant to be installed on with stable drivers. What does it say about Microsoft if this issue isn't resolved around the time the RTM is released? This computer is not even 3 years old. I'd expect Apple to drop support for their devices after that amount of time (as they pretty much did with my first gen touch) but not Microsoft.
    With all due respect, MS has billions of dollars and I have nothing. They don't need me defending them - I have no affiliations. The OS is perfectly stable.

    Throughout the thread, you keep saying you hope to prove you have a hardware issue for a return or something along those lines. And now this post instead, blaming MS? Yes it is frustrating when things don't work and I know that too, but it isn't right to pick and choose your blame as you wish.

    It is not Microsoft's position, legally, morally or otherwise, to ensure drivers for what you purchased - especially for a beta OS. They're giving you a platform for free. What you do with it is entirely up to you.
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  10. #100


    Might be stable for you but has been buggy as hell for me so far.

    Quite the statement, the os is perfectly stable... hardly bud. Glad it's working for you but you don't decide what is stable for me I am afraid.

    I guess if it's perfectly stable they should let it go to production now don't ya think?
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