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Will Win8 be as succesful ??

  1. #11


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    Windows 8 Enterprise 64-bit (7 Ult, Vista & XP in V-Box)


    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Going by the comments on this Forum, Microsoft might as well shut up shop now, nobody knows how to use Windows 8, or just plain dont want to use it.
    I think we'd better all start learning Mac because I fear for the future of Microsoft. Get used to buying hugely overpriced machines and not building your own anymore. These are dark days indeed.


    Mac? No.

    But Linux is sounding more appealing by the minute.....

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  2. #12


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    Vista and Win7


    Quote Originally Posted by Kat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Going by the comments on this Forum, Microsoft might as well shut up shop now, nobody knows how to use Windows 8, or just plain dont want to use it.
    I think we'd better all start learning Mac because I fear for the future of Microsoft. Get used to buying hugely overpriced machines and not building your own anymore. These are dark days indeed.

    But Linux is sounding more appealing by the minute.....


    Did you ever fully configer Ubuntu or any other major Linux distro and do serious work with it. I am running Ubuntu since 3 years and still have to do many things via Terminal (command line). And let me tell you, the windows cmd is a piece of cake compared to Terminal. It is fun, but not very practical.
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  3. #13


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    Windows 8 Enterprise 64-bit (7 Ult, Vista & XP in V-Box)


    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    Going by the comments on this Forum, Microsoft might as well shut up shop now, nobody knows how to use Windows 8, or just plain dont want to use it.
    I think we'd better all start learning Mac because I fear for the future of Microsoft. Get used to buying hugely overpriced machines and not building your own anymore. These are dark days indeed.

    But Linux is sounding more appealing by the minute.....


    Did you ever fully configer Ubuntu or any other major Linux distro and do serious work with it. I am running Ubuntu since 3 years and still have to do many things via Terminal (command line). And let me tell you, the windows cmd is a piece of cake compared to Terminal. It is fun, but not very practical.


    Yes, have used Ubuntu and XandrOS in the past. Also have a bootable copy of Lindows on a thumb-drive.

    Comes in handy sometimes:-)
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  4. #14


    Germany/Florida
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    Yeah, I keep a bootable copy of Puppy on a stick. Use that to recover files for friends that sacked their systems.
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  5. #15


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    Windows 8 Pro/Windows 8 Pro/Windows 7 64 Bit64Bit/Windows XP


    I've used Ubuntu, Dream Linux, Puppy Linux and others, I find them quite good. I still boot into Linux on my Netbook and even on my main computer from time to time.

    I would like to say I love it, but I don't, its just not Windows.

    But if Microsoft fails, it looks like I'll be liking it a lot more.
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  6. #16


    Rotterdam, The Netherlands
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    Windows 8 Pro 64-bit, Windows 7 SP1 64-bit, Windows XP SP3 32-bit


    I can't see Microsoft failing with Windows 8. I think your being a bit too pessimistic in your viewpoint regarding Microsoft's future. The predictions are that Microsoft will sell more than a billion Windows licenses over the next three years. That does not sound like a company that is about to go down the tubes or stop manufacturing the Windows OS.

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    In the future though, you may not even be able to dual boot your PC anymore into Linux thanks to the new UEFI BIOS's that are starting to come out. You might want to read this article regarding the negatives of UEFI in Windows 8.

    Why the Windows 8 UEFI secure boot thing has me worried

    "Windows 8 Unified Extensible Firmware Interface secure boot requirement doesn't portend the arrival of the Four Horsemen, but it does suggest they're logged onto Expedia and are planning the trip."
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  7. #17


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    Windows 8 enterprise x64


    Quote Originally Posted by HPDeskjet View Post
    ........you may not even be able to dual boot your PC anymore into Linux thanks to the new UEFI BIOS's that are starting to come out. You might want to read this article regarding the negatives of UEFI in Windows 8.


    And you think company like Asus will not give the opportunity to their customers to disable this function in the BIOS? Wait to see the US and some European country step in a antitrust action against Microsoft if so. Anyway Microsoft is already stepping back on it. Actually in some European country have express concern about the fact that the US government can use the patriot act to put their nose on Microsoft servers ( like for Office 365) locate outside US.
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  8. #18


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    Windows 8 Pro 64-bit, Windows 7 SP1 64-bit, Windows XP SP3 32-bit


    Quote Originally Posted by area 66 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HPDeskjet View Post
    ........you may not even be able to dual boot your PC anymore into Linux thanks to the new UEFI BIOS's that are starting to come out. You might want to read this article regarding the negatives of UEFI in Windows 8.


    And you think company like Asus will not give the opportunity to their customers to disable this function in the BIOS? Wait to see the US and some European country step in a antitrust action against Microsoft if so. Anyway Microsoft is already stepping back on it. Actually in some European country have express concern about the fact that the US government can use the patriot act to put their nose on Microsoft servers ( like for Office 365) locate outside US.
    That's the question, will they or won't they include the option? I tend to agree with the writer of the article. He discusses it here:

    "The operative phrase in all of this is "secure boot enabled". The obvious answer is "turn off secure boot". This would then mean that you could wipe the machine and install Linux or anything else that you fancied to install.

    Two points for completeness:

    Firstly, "why can't Linux be changed to include secure boot" is hugely complicated and beyond the scope of this argument. It's all to do with the fact that the private key implementation essentially requires a closed source, proprietary operating system like Windows and not an open OS like Linux. (There's a good write-up on ARS Technical. Windows 8 secure boot could complicate Linux installs )

    Secondly, there is an what to me is a frankly thin argument that the motherboard manufacturers won't include the switch to turn secure boot off in the UEFI settings. This just isn't the style of how these guys build motherboards if you think about it, people who build motherboards are the geekiest of the geek, they love switches and there's no current commercial motivation for them to disable the switch.

    Plus having a split where some motherboards have the switch and others don't would create a split and additional complexity in the supply chain. The motivation of the supply chain tends towards simplification."
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  9. #19


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    Windows 8 enterprise x64


    Do manufacturers don't include a way to enable core on AMD CPU that AMD disable ? Also for many years Intel don’t allow us to OC their CPU, motherboard manufacturers as always make sure we can't do it.
    Motherboard manufacturers are not dictated by Microsoft.
    I speak alreay with Asus rep, they will make sure we can't disable it, they like to give extra to their customers. MSI rep. told me they will provide BIOS to do so, and we know how MSI are quick to make beta bios, you can even go on the MSI forum and for a small contribution, they gone make you a BIOS with the option you like.

    If Microsoft force us to install their stuff, I will install Linux servers to my customers. If Dell force us, I will build PC for my customers. I don't like it , but I dislike more to be force.
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  10. #20


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    Windows 8 Pro 64-bit, Windows 7 SP1 64-bit, Windows XP SP3 32-bit


    I'm sure that the option will be included, the writer of the article more or less thinks so too. He does say, "This just isn't the style of how these guys build motherboards – if you think about it, people who build motherboards are the geekiest of the geek, they love switches and there's no current commercial motivation for them to disable the switch."
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