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Probably later this decade, Desktop WILL be gone.

  1. #11


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    On the subject of closing apps... on a standard keyboard mouse combo, a simple Alt-F4 will do that job, MS put it back in for the CP, although a close button would still be nice.

    Quote Originally Posted by Calico
    That's not really the point I was making. As it stands, I can have two Metro applications running simultaneously, any others are suspended. That maybe appropriate on the average hand held device, but which ever way you look at it, it's a ridiculous limitation for a reasonably equipped desktop PC.
    Absolutely agree here. even your most basic desktop/laptop can probably handle at least 10(?) Metro apps at a time, especially as all the apps we've seen so far are (deliberately) low footprint.

    Either way, the desktop isn't going anywhere quickly. There will be many software developers who will stick to what they know, and still write their apps for the desktop environment. All this will mean is we won't be getting them from the Windows store. Meh. I'm not even sure this is necessarily a bad thing. Some of the most usefull apps I have ever downloaded were independently written .Net apps by single developers who neither have the time, nor the inclination to write for 2 different platforms.

    hell, we are now what 2.5 years after Windows 7's launch? and jump lists and little scrolly things on the taskbar (can't really describe it... you know the little green progress bar thing like when you're downloading?) are only just starting to frequently appear.

    Viva la choice I say. I can take or leave Metro, and I can certainly see its application for things like messengers social networking. Worky stuff maybe not... certainly in my office, I usually need at least 5/6 different apps and spreadsheets all open and able to be referred to at any one time.

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  2. #12


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    Quote Originally Posted by Calico View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Calico View Post
    I would highly doubt that Metro, in its current implementation, will entirely replace the standard Desktop environment, any time soon. As it stands, Windows 8 is essentially two shells, the 'standard' desktop built on Win32 and Metro build on WinRT. To me, at this time, they're a decidedly odd couple, attempting to share the same space and not doing very well at it.

    Don't get me wrong, there's a lot to commend Metro and WinRT, simple package type installation and removal, sandboxing, isolation etc., but there's also a number of areas where it fails horribly. Notably, applications are single instance and must run full screen, with the exception of two side by side. Metro applications that are suspended can be killed by the OS, without warning, if memory is required - tell me again why I have a multi-core processor and 16GB of RAM. As far as I'm aware, Metro applications must be downloaded from the Windows Store, which not everyone is going to embrace, especially developers, so the diversity of applications will likely reduce. The ergonomics of using a touch screen in a standard desktop environment, is against the widespread adoption, especially in business environments.

    It's quite probable that Windows 8 will be adopted quite widely, as there are a number of worthy features to drive the uptake, however, I think it's quite likely that Metro, unless things change, will be more of a niche, something used by those with minimal requirements and for those with small touch-screen devices. It's also likely it will be adopted in Kiosk type environments, places where a only a single application needs to be run at a time.
    I agree with the fact that the Start Screen right now can't take over the Desktop by a long shot. But I'm speaking about the further future of the Start Screen.
    So am I.

    By the way, I doubt you metro apps will be killed on your system. The only reason why it would that is on ARM tablets and low RAM tablets.
    That's not really the point I was making. As it stands, I can have two Metro applications running simultaneously, any others are suspended. That maybe appropriate on the average hand held device, but which ever way you look at it, it's a ridiculous limitation for a reasonably equipped desktop PC.

    I think the Windows Store will be successful because if you look at apple's app store, it's thriving. androids's app store has all the other apps, with ones of subpar quality. The Windows Phone 7's marketplace is thriving as well. I doubt that would be an issue, especially considering the Windows Store will be on every Windows 8 PC so the end user can find these apps easily all the time.
    Discounting hand held devices and looking at the comparison between the MAC and Windows 8, MAC users can still download applications from anywhere. If the only option for Metro Applications, is the Windows store, it can't, by it's very nature, be as diverse.

    You also have to consider the requirements for developing Metro applications, which are more complicated than similar platforms. Again, this is due to the way Metro is implemented. Personally, I'd hate to have to develop some database driven application to run under Metro, unless I could guarantee it would be the only thing running.

    If Microsoft want Metro to succeed, they're seriously going to have to rethink big parts of it. If the don't it will be severely limited. Personally, I think they should have a Windows 8 Metro Edition and leave it as an option in the other editions.
    If you want a metro app, there's a place for that. If you want a Desktop app, there's the internet. The big plus for the Windows Store is that there is a guarantee that there won't be ANY malware in it. That isn't always so for the Desktop. I honestly would think a Desktop marketplace would had been a great idea, especially years ago.

    As for running multiple apps, you do have a point there. But then again, you're probably using a mouse and keyboard and metro apps are might be irrelevant to you. I honestly have been using about three or four apps, the rest is in the Desktop.

    I think as of now, the Start Screen and metro apps are on fairly solid standing, but yes, they need work. I'd hate to only snap a third of an app next to two thirds of an app on one screen. What if I want two equal halves snapped together, or what if I want to easily readjust the sizes? There are some things about the metro design in Windows 8 I like and dislike. Some of it isn't true metro design, it's more put together than something different and dynamic.
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  3. #13


    Adelaide
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    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)

    Guaranteed?


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    The big plus for the Windows Store is that there is a guarantee that there won't be ANY malware in it. That isn't always so for the Desktop. I honestly would think a Desktop marketplace would had been a great idea, especially years ago.
    Just like Linux Repositories?
    Major Open Source code repository hacked for months, says FSF

    That guarantee isn't worth the paper it's written on.

    A repository is a "single point of failure".
    All the "bad guys" know where to go.
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  4. #14


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    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    The big plus for the Windows Store is that there is a guarantee that there won't be ANY malware in it. That isn't always so for the Desktop. I honestly would think a Desktop marketplace would had been a great idea, especially years ago.
    Just like Linux Repositories?
    Major Open Source code repository hacked for months, says FSF

    That guarantee isn't worth the paper it's written on.

    A repository is a "single point of failure".
    All the "bad guys" know where to go.
    Oh well, when it comes to OPEN sourced software, yeah, that's a whole other story. But I still put my bets that Microsoft will be able to vet out a VAST majority of apps to not have crap in them like that, like the Windows Phone 7 for example.
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  5. #15


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Oh well, when it comes to OPEN sourced software, yeah, that's a whole other story. But I still put my bets that Microsoft will be able to vet out a VAST majority of apps to not have crap in them like that, like the Windows Phone 7 for example.
    It's also happened to Google (Codeplex) and It's not like they're short of resources.

    There is malware for iPhones and Android.
    Windows Phone 7 benefits from obscurity (i.e. small user base).

    Vetting apps takes time and money, which means lower profit.
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