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Bring back the start menu - solution

  1. #11


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    Quote Originally Posted by R3B3L View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ruudfood View Post
    Let me get this right (because I haven't installed Win8 yet and may not get the chance to do so for a while): Windows 8 when run on a desktop implements Metro and does not give the user the opportunity to go to a "classic" desktop (with start menu, taskbar, etc)? Or have I got it wrong? And if the first statement is true, how exactly do you access your apps that don't create a Metro icon or are not specifically designed for Win8?
    There still is a desktop. Windows 7 and lower apps will work (as they did for me in Dev Preview). You start in Metro, but there is a Classic Desktop with Taskbar. The only thing, if you click where the start button was, you get the Metro interface, "start menu"
    Thank you. Legacy apps will create a Metro shortcut then?

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  2. #12


    Quote Originally Posted by Ruudfood View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by R3B3L View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ruudfood View Post
    Let me get this right (because I haven't installed Win8 yet and may not get the chance to do so for a while): Windows 8 when run on a desktop implements Metro and does not give the user the opportunity to go to a "classic" desktop (with start menu, taskbar, etc)? Or have I got it wrong? And if the first statement is true, how exactly do you access your apps that don't create a Metro icon or are not specifically designed for Win8?
    There still is a desktop. Windows 7 and lower apps will work (as they did for me in Dev Preview). You start in Metro, but there is a Classic Desktop with Taskbar. The only thing, if you click where the start button was, you get the Metro interface, "start menu"
    Thank you. Legacy apps will create a Metro shortcut then?
    Yes they will.
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  3. #13


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    A genuine removal of choice on Microsoft's behalf would had been to get rid of the Desktop altogether, scrap NT code, and focus solely on the metro environment and WinRT.

    Now, saying that that Start button and menu are gone isn't a removal of choice. The button is in two locations, and the menu and turned into a screen that acts the same as the menu, but FAR more customizable than the menu. It's like saying a car manufacturer changed the doors on a new model year car so instead of simply hinging out, they open up like gullwing doors. "But it's a removal of choice!".....
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  4. #14


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    The button is in two locations, and the menu and turned into a screen that acts the same as the menu, but FAR more customizable than the menu.
    So you can add folders to it now?
    You don't have to swap to another screen anymore?
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  5. #15


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    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    A genuine removal of choice on Microsoft's behalf would had been to get rid of the Desktop altogether, scrap NT code, and focus solely on the metro environment and WinRT.
    It would have been corporate suicide to completely abandon their 1.3 bn existing users.

    To do what, exactly? To chase after a small slice of the tablet market.

    They could have chosen to have a separate o/s for the desktop/laptop market - with voluntary access to apps. and other online services as an extra feature.


    That would probably work very well - seems to work for Apple.
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  6. #16


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    Microsoft Windows


    I believe our Classic Shell is a much better solution.

    Click image for larger version

    - Consumes 1-2 MB memory on my x64 Windows 8.
    - No full-screen requirement, it doesn't disturb your workflow and gets out of the way quickly
    - Has quick access to shutdown commands
    - Special folders 1 click away and expandable
    - Expandable Recent documents
    - Frequently used programs list
    - Neatly organized All Programs list by folders
    - Does not cover the Taskbar and the notification area
    - Search results are in a single unified list of Programs and Settings for easy up/down keyboard navigation, press Enter to launch
    - Context menu options of our choice present
    - Launch multiple apps quickly by holding down Shift
    - Full optimum utilization of screen space when using multiple columns to show all programs without unnecessarily scrolling
    - Familiar interface benefit
    - Every aspect of look and functionality is customizable
    - Does not disable Metro if you want it
    - Has support for skins, including additional 3rd party skins
    - Free customizable Start button
    - Completely, free and open source and has had a million downloads!
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  7. #17


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Or...the Windows 7!
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  8. #18


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    Yes, xpclient

    Classic Shell is excellent.
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  9. #19


    Hafnarfjörður IS
    Posts : 4,376
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    A genuine removal of choice on Microsoft's behalf would had been to get rid of the Desktop altogether, scrap NT code, and focus solely on the metro environment and WinRT.

    Now, saying that that Start button and menu are gone isn't a removal of choice. The button is in two locations, and the menu and turned into a screen that acts the same as the menu, but FAR more customizable than the menu. It's like saying a car manufacturer changed the doors on a new model year car so instead of simply hinging out, they open up like gullwing doors. "But it's a removal of choice!".....

    So if they DID remove the desktop environment --then this version of Windows would have absolutely NO USE WHATSOVER for many millions of users -- so MS BIG BIG BUCKS lost.

    Even in its present state I doubt if W8 will ever be seen inside any commercial office work environment except on some private laptops or possibly the I.T dept might have one just for playing with. There is no way that in this form W8 will be deployed in these situations --just the staff training etc would be HUGE - to say nothing of the fact that people are just doing the XP===>W7 upgrades and that isn't as easy as it seems either.

    Why on earth Ms even THOUGHT of announcing an "Enterprise" version - never mind actually announcing it will remain a mystery I suppose --it certainly wouldn't have been for any sensible commercial reason whatsoever.

    Unless the marketing director was either on a different planet to this one, been smoking that sort of funny smellying tobacco found in Amsterdam's famous "Coffee Shops" or had been imbibing enormous quantities of Alcohol what business does he think would even THINK of buying W8 Enterprise.

    He should visit maybe a large company like SHELL and see what a job it is even to do a SMALL upgrade across these size operations. !!

    People need to go out into the REAL market place to see how work is ACTUALLY DONE instead of spending hours in corporate jets and whiling away his time on Golf Courses.

    @SIW2

    agree classic shell is as near as you can get to the original look and feel of W7's menu and works very well indeed.
    However these sorts of tricks *Could be* deprecated when the RTM build of W8 appears (or even a Release candidate -- there might be something appearing in the wild later --who knows !!).

    Note that you still have to click classic desktop from the Metro at logon and you still get the navigation stuff if your mouse goes to the screen edges --seems it's impossible to inhibit that but classic shell is probably as good as it gets.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  10. #20


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    Microsoft Windows


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Or...the Windows 7!
    Yes that's a good option. Personally I would be sticking with Windows 7 if I have to use any of the post XP OSes. Windows 8 is full of removed stuff from the desktop besides the Start Menu. Do a Google search for features removed in Windows 8 (and avoid the Wikipedia article).
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