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Two conflicting languages after reinstallation

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    Two conflicting languages after reinstallation


    I reinstalled windows 8 on my machine (installed all updates including 8.1) . The installation was in Swedish but since i prefer English as my display language I added this language, removed the Swedish language pack and changed my keyboard to Swedish layout.

    Now my display language is English... mostly. Some parts are still in Swedish. Eg, if i hold my mouse over the speaker it will show the tool-tip "högtalare"(Swedish for speaker) but the arrow next to it has the correct language tool-tip "show hidden icons".

    It seems like the remove button in the language menu does not completely remove a language pack but rather hides the option until you reinstall it, I believe this is the case since it takes no time at all to reinstall the Swedish language pack after i removed it.
    Is there a way to completely remove the pack if that is the case?

    Any other thoughts or ideas are much appreciated as well.
    Last edited by Zhe; 19 May 2014 at 17:19.

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    If the OS version is the Swedish version. It will always be Swedish. You need to get an English (U.S. or UK) version.
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  3. #3


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    Quote Originally Posted by broe23 View Post
    If the OS version is the Swedish version. It will always be Swedish. You need to get an English (U.S. or UK) version.
    Yes its a Swedish version, but you don't need a new version of the OS just to change language. I had only English in my OS before i reinstalled it (same version I am using now).
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    A Finnish ex-pat in Leipzig, Germany
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    Quote Originally Posted by broe23 View Post
    If the OS version is the Swedish version. It will always be Swedish. You need to get an English (U.S. or UK) version.
    Although it is an option, the OP has no need to get an English version to get Windows in English.

    Your Windows core language is Swedish, whatever you do to get rid of it because of you using a Swedish install media. After installing English language pack and applying it your user account has been transformed to English as much as possible without using an English install media. Some device names remain in the language of the install media, the core language of your Windows, but that's it. Other than that your Windows is and will be completely English.

    I have the same situation as you. I only use English install media it being my work language, but as native Finnish and Swedish (bilingual home) speaking ex-pat living in Germany I have separate user accounts on all my Windows computers in Finnish, Swedish and German. When I sign in to my Swedish user account, Windows is completely in Swedish except these few device names; whereas you see the name of your speaker device in your English Windows in its core language Swedish, I see the same device in Swedish Windows user account in English, "speakers". The language of the install media is the determining factor.

    Naturally, the core language cannot be changed. Your speakers will most probably always be called Högtalare instead of Speakers but how big a problem that can be? If it really is a problem, you have two options:
    • Option 1 (does not work on all hardware setups): When English language pack is installed and applied, Swedish disabled, and the machine rebooted, remove the device with disturbing name from the Device Manager, thereafter reboot again and after the reboot force Windows to search new hardware from Device Manager > Action menu > Scan for hardware changes. This sometimes works; I have not found any logics in it, I do not know why sometimes the same hardware is found in core language, sometimes in the language user has changed to.
    • Option 2: Find an English Windows 8 / 8.1 ISO image and use it to reinstall. Windows product keys are version and edition but not language specific, meaning you can install an English Windows 8.1 Pro with a Swedish Windows 8.1 Pro key.

    Kari
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by broe23 View Post
    If the OS version is the Swedish version. It will always be Swedish. You need to get an English (U.S. or UK) version.
    Although it is an option, the OP has no need to get an English version to get Windows in English.

    Your Windows core language is Swedish, whatever you do to get rid of it because of you using a Swedish install media. After installing English language pack and applying it your user account has been transformed to English as much as possible without using an English install media. Some device names remain in the language of the install media, the core language of your Windows, but that's it. Other than that your Windows is and will be completely English.

    I have the same situation as you. I only use English install media it being my work language, but as native Finnish and Swedish (bilingual home) speaking ex-pat living in Germany I have separate user accounts on all my Windows computers in Finnish, Swedish and German. When I sign in to my Swedish user account, Windows is completely in Swedish except these few device names; whereas you see the name of your speaker device in your English Windows in its core language Swedish, I see the same device in Swedish Windows user account in English, "speakers". The language of the install media is the determining factor.

    Naturally, the core language cannot be changed. Your speakers will most probably always be called Högtalare instead of Speakers but how big a problem that can be? If it really is a problem, you have two options:
    • Option 1 (does not work on all hardware setups): When English language pack is installed and applied, Swedish disabled, and the machine rebooted, remove the device with disturbing name from the Device Manager, thereafter reboot again and after the reboot force Windows to search new hardware from Device Manager > Action menu > Scan for hardware changes. This sometimes works; I have not found any logics in it, I do not know why sometimes the same hardware is found in core language, sometimes in the language user has changed to.
    • Option 2: Find an English Windows 8 / 8.1 ISO image and use it to reinstall. Windows product keys are version and edition but not language specific, meaning you can install an English Windows 8.1 Pro with a Swedish Windows 8.1 Pro key.

    Kari
    First of all thanks for your reply!

    The speakers being in Swedish was only one example of it, and i agree had that been the only thing then it would not have been that big of a deal. But this occurs all over the OS. Some other examples are the taskbar and navigation properties where 1 out of 4 tabs are in Swedish, the others in English. Under the security tab for my for hard-drives everything is in English, except the names of Group or user names and when i right-click in the menu screen I get a Swedish tool-tip. So option one would only solve a very small part of this problem.

    I am very sure that this was not the case before I reinstalled my windows, and since i used the same CD when i Installed it the previous time there should be a way to fix this besides getting an English ISO.
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    A Finnish ex-pat in Leipzig, Germany
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    It is all because of the core language used, that is one thing you cannot change. You cannot completely disable the language of the used install media. It does not change the fact that the operating system itself is (almost) totally changed to language you have chosen, in your case English.

    I have used multilingual Windows as long as it has been possible, limited since XP and fully since Vista. Here's a detail of my Windows 8 welcome screen (a bit outdated, as recently divorced I need to remove my wife's account ), separate user accounts in all languages I need on daily basis:

    Click image for larger version

    I know the issue and honestly, it's only cosmetics. Windows, help files, menus, everything is in required language except a few core device and related names. I mean, how can this be an issue:

    Click image for larger version

    Screenshot of one of my user profiles on one of Windows 8.1 laptops I have where core language (install media) is German but user profile in question is transferred to English using language pack, showing all English except the name of the speakers and headphones device which is in German. In normal use how often is that word in wrong language there to be seen? Or any other of the few devices or tabs still in core language.

    Check these two things to make the language change as complete as possible:
    • Instead of Sweden in your case, change the location to a country using English from Control Panel > Region > Location (I use United Kingdom and UK number and date formats except € instead of £)
    • Follow instructions in this tutorial to change the language of logon / logoff and new user accounts

    Kari
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    I find it very odd that this is something that can not be changed when I didn't have this issue before I reinstalled windows. Nor do I currently have this issue on my laptop with Windows 8 that has Swedish as core language but changed to English.

    This may not be an issue to you, but it is to me.

    My region is already English(UK). But that copy settings tutorial did not only fix the login screen but also the user groups so that's a big step in the right direction, thanks!
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    A Finnish ex-pat in Leipzig, Germany
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    As I mentioned in one of my earlier posts, I am unable to find logics why sometimes removing the device from system in Device Manager and then reinstalling it the core language device names are changed to selected language. I believe this same mysterious "feature" is responsible for you not having Swedish device names in your earlier install although after reinstall they are in Swedish.

    Sorry but the only option to get 100% English system is to use English install media.
    Last edited by Kari; 20 May 2014 at 04:31. Reason: Typo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    Sorry but the only option to get 100% English system is to use English install media.
    Since my previous installation on this computer and my current installation on my laptop had/has 100% English this can not be the case.
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    A Finnish ex-pat in Leipzig, Germany
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zhe View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    Sorry but the only option to get 100% English system is to use English install media.
    Since my previous installation on this computer and my current installation on my laptop had/has 100% English this can not be the case.
    Let's put it this way: I have used language packs and multilingual Windows as long as it has been possible. I am quite experienced Windows user, both private and professionally. I have never seen / heard / experienced that Windows can completely forget the language of the install media used to install it.

    As the name says, changing the Windows Display Language does exactly that, it changes the display language, not the core language (= language used to install Windows). All binaries remain in core language, as well as some HW devices and other items related to them. Using the words of Microsoft (article about Windows 7 but the language packs and display language work exactly the same way in 8):

    Need to work in multiple languages? If so, the Ultimate and Enterprise editions of Windows 7 were designed for you. These editions can display menus, dialog boxes, Help topics, and other text in 35 different languages. Switching between them is easy and free.
    (From Language packs - Microsoft Windows)

    I repeat: it is absolutely totally profoundly 100% sure that you cannot make Windows completely forget the core language, the language used when it was installed.

    Kari
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