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cloning new PC to SSD, license worry?

  1. #11


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    I never updated my SSD firmware. My oldest SSD is from 2008 and the 6 other SSDs are also some years old. I never had a problem. In fact once I was updating the firmware on my Crucial M4 and that gave me problems.

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  2. #12


    If the new machines come with Windows 8 originally (or 8.1) they will be UEFI systems with the Windows 8 key embedded in the bios so no key manipulation should be needed.

    Setting up one system, creating a image then cloning to all the others should work with no install key to worry about.

    At least I'm pretty sure that's how it will work.
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  3. #13


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ztruker View Post
    If the new machines come with Windows 8 originally (or 8.1) they will be UEFI systems with the Windows 8 key embedded in the bios so no key manipulation should be needed.

    Setting up one system, creating a image then cloning to all the others should work with no install key to worry about.

    At least I'm pretty sure that's how it will work.
    No key is kept in the bios. What you are thinking is the checksum that the UEFI uses to verify that OS is valid (MS wisdom to make an attempt to not allow Linux on PC's. & Laptops).

    The machines can be ordered with the SSD's already installed, no OS if you are using a MS Volume license. You basically connect all of the machines up to a Lab LAN and go through the process of loading them up with the company Master copy of the OS with all updates on it and other software that is used during the course of users performing their duties.
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  4. #14


    Sorry broe23, but you are wrong on that. My new Lenovo IdeaCenter K50 does not have a COA sticker on it with the installation key. That information is embedded in the BIOS as are almost all UEFI systems.

    Read here for confirmation: Embedded Product Key (8.0) for 8.1 install
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  5. #15


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    Quote Originally Posted by broe23 View Post
    No key is kept in the bios. What you are thinking is the checksum that the UEFI uses to verify that OS is valid (MS wisdom to make an attempt to not allow Linux on PC's. & Laptops).

    The machines can be ordered with the SSD's already installed, no OS if you are using a MS Volume license. You basically connect all of the machines up to a Lab LAN and go through the process of loading them up with the company Master copy of the OS with all updates on it and other software that is used during the course of users performing their duties.
    You're confusing two different things and getting them both wrong.

    First, the thing you refer to that you think tries to prevent Linux is called SecureBoot. And Linux systems are perfectly capable of using it, in fact most of the major versions have SecureBoot support, and there is package to add it to those that don't.

    Second, Yes, OS Keys can be embedded in the firmware, in something called a SLIC or Software Licensing Description Table. Most OEM computers come with the keys embedded this way.
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  6. #16


    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by broe23 View Post
    No key is kept in the bios. What you are thinking is the checksum that the UEFI uses to verify that OS is valid (MS wisdom to make an attempt to not allow Linux on PC's. & Laptops).

    The machines can be ordered with the SSD's already installed, no OS if you are using a MS Volume license. You basically connect all of the machines up to a Lab LAN and go through the process of loading them up with the company Master copy of the OS with all updates on it and other software that is used during the course of users performing their duties.
    You're confusing two different things and getting them both wrong.

    First, the thing you refer to that you think tries to prevent Linux is called SecureBoot. And Linux systems are perfectly capable of using it, in fact most of the major versions have SecureBoot support, and there is package to add it to those that don't.

    Second, Yes, OS Keys can be embedded in the firmware, in something called a SLIC or Software Licensing Description Table. Most OEM computers come with the keys embedded this way.
    It's great to see you posting again, Mystere.
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  7. #17


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    The only ones with the SLIC are the tablets. None of the OEM laptops that I have worked on, have the key embedded into the bios.
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  8. #18


    Germany/Florida
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    Vista and Win7


    Quote Originally Posted by broe23 View Post
    The only ones with the SLIC are the tablets. None of the OEM laptops that I have worked on, have the key embedded into the bios.
    Did those systems have a COA sticker. I have an Asus with 8.1 and it has no COA sticker. I hope they did not forget the sticker.
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  9. #19


    In every instance I've seen, no COA sticker == embeded key.
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  10. #20


    Germany/Florida
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    That's what I thought. But broe23 seems to have another experience.
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