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Is 8 and 8.1 creating OS illiterate smartphone users?

  1. #71


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    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Since you know that Linux is so easy, tell me the following (because that is my current problem):


    How do you extend the casper-rw file beyond 4GB on a Mint Petra bootable flash drive without messing up the Grub.
    PS: I can Google the web myself. I need advice from an expert.
    Then google it, since you know the answer is out there. The majority that use any OS are going to go out and do a search for the answer. Unless you run into one of those brainiacs that could tell you what George Washington had on is inaugural dinner. Those are the types you never see in forums. Or if you do, they just hang back and watch most of the time, never participating into these round table discussions.

    I chose to move to Linux finally. Due to I am getting too frustrated with the nature of the beast that MS has created. You either run into the OS downloading a bad driver, or when you want to do something, they have the OS so locked down, that you are unable to.

    I liked with Windows 7, that you had a little more control of the OS, then you do with 8. Also with 8, we are having to reeducate a lot of people that like I stated in the beginning that want to be Spoon fed. All because they refuse to go out and search for the answer on the Search engines.

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  2. #72


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    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Since you know that Linux is so easy, tell me the following (because that is my current problem):


    How do you extend the casper-rw file beyond 4GB on a Mint Petra bootable flash drive without messing up the Grub.
    PS: I can Google the web myself. I need advice from an expert.
    dd if=/dev/zero bs=1M count=1024 >> casper-rw (replace 1024 with whatever size you need). Then resize2fs casper-rw
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  3. #73


    Posts : 1,875
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blazergamer View Post
    First of all I can't believe that they didn't integrate a free Media Player App for the Metro Interface instead of that clunky video App. Instead you're stuck switching back to Desktop mode to open WMP. I installed the VLC App but once again the interface was clunky and I had to install a separate VLC player for the Desktop mode and when I try to ''Open With'' it now list both VLC players without any mention of which interface it's for.
    there is a beta VLC app VLC app for Windows 8 planned release Monday, March 10

    I tried it and think using the normal version is better at the moment though. May be worth a try though
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  4. #74


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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    HG, quick question: How do you make those screenshots on your W8P. With mine it says to push the Home and Power-on buttons at the same time. That always only gets me a screenshot of the home screen. What am I missing - maybe my 521 is a bit retarded ??

    The Power/Lock button + Windows key works on mine. It should work on yours, for it's WP8. The model shouldn't have anything to do with it. I don't think installation of any app should eliminate that feature.

    I find it difficult to hit both keys at the same time, although the wallet case I have sticks over the edge of the phone a bit and wide muscular construction-callused fingers don't help the cause.
    Thanks HG for the input. I gues I have to practice more because I already have a full collection of dektop pics - LOL.

    Btw - I found the app for my favorite music feed. If you like a good mix of English, French and Italian music, get it. They have 14 web radio stations. Rock, Jazz, Motown, 60s, 70s, 80s, chansons, disco, etc.

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  5. #75


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    Quote Originally Posted by Blazergamer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by strollin View Post
    My feeling is that Win 8 and 8.1 revealed that many users are completely Windows illiterate despite the fact that they may have been using it for years. One small example, how many new Win 8 users don't know how to change the default program for opening a given file extension? They complain that they don't like the Metro app that opens to view photos but don't know how to change things to use the program they prefer.
    As a new windows 8.1 user (Bought a new touch laptop last week) I must admit that I understand that people were a little lost about opeining media files.

    First of all I can't believe that they didn't integrate a free Media Player App for the Metro Interface instead of that clunky video App. Instead you're stuck switching back to Desktop mode to open WMP. I installed the VLC App but once again the interface was clunky and I had to install a separate VLC player for the Desktop mode and when I try to ''Open With'' it now list both VLC players without any mention of which interface it's for.
    Remove the metro version. As for the Open With. Yes it will list all instances of programs that can be used for that file type.

    You need to go into Default Programs in the Desktop mode, in the Control Panel, and set what programs you want to be the default for those certain file types.

    The good thing is that VLC can play DVD's, without any third party add-ons. Also you can view Media streams that use RTSP:// on VLC.

    VLC has been around a very long time. It is the best program out there for media use.
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  6. #76


    Quote Originally Posted by broe23 View Post
    HippsieGypsie, I have over two years using 8. I have over 36 years with working with computers. As for the whole Android/iOS vs. Windows 8 phones. Try again. I have used the latest Windows 8 phone, due to the user could not figure out how to use it. Three of us that have IT Degrees, all agreed that the Windows 8 platform should never have been released out to the wild. That it should have stayed in the lab.
    Two years with 8, eh? Using Start8, so it wasn’t really 8 then was it? More like 7.5. 36 years, eh? I worked 43 years in my field. It doesn’t mean I know it all, nor will I ever because it changes. Someone couldn’t figure out how to use a WP8, eh? How old, like 5 years? So three of you decided the rest of the world is not ready for WP8, eh? Is that like the Council of Trent?

    You can disagree with what I wrote, and make all the assumptions you want. The subject was about 8.x creating illiterate smartphone users. My point is that the problem is that it is not the OS making users illiterate, it is their mindset. You just proved my point about some end users not using the resources available, before making a post about something
    You’re skating on thin ice now. Proved your point, eh? In your post Is 8 and 8.1 creating OS illiterate smartphone users? you stated:

    The problem with 8.x, along with Server 2k12 making users illiterate. It has to do with that little thing called Metro.
    Perhaps you have a different interpretation, but the way I read that is if A (Problem) = B (8.x/ Server 2k12) and B = C (Metro), then A (Problem) = C (Metro) that is making users illiterate.

    To let you know. For the Android & iOS platforms. They do not bury stuff under multiple levels, unlike Microsoft has done with all versions of the Windows 8 OS. It should not have to take more then 3 steps to get to something. As it is with Windows 8.x.
    Now I think you’re getting ridiculous. All OSs are layered. Its place is between hardware and the user via applications. In any OS it takes a certain amount of steps to get to anything depending on how deep one needs to get. If you mean MS placed certain items in a different place(s) in 8/8.1 then that’s different. It doesn’t mean it takes more steps.

    I list Xubuntu in my System Spec's, because that is what I use on my personal laptop. I have Windows 7 in a VM on it, and Windows 8 is in a image on my NAS, if I need it to look at something, which I do not. Since anything I need to know about 8, can be found in a simple search on a Search engine. When you do a search on something about 8. You end up getting stuff back about 7. That is how bad it has become with the fact that Microsoft has killed their holy grail that was supposed to bring them back to life.

    If you are lucky to get something back about 8. You get five forums talking about the same subject. As for users, there are two types. Windows users and Real Computer users that use Linux.
    Obviously since you’re not a “real” Windows user, you’re not familiar with MS’s "real" Windows sites with help. You wouldn't know either that MS sites have been revamped in the Modern Design Language. Rather stunning I must say.

    Getting started tutorials for Windows - Microsoft Windows

    Windows Phone 8 | Windows Phone How-to (United States)

    There are the usual F1 help files or help in Charms.

    Then there are all of Brink's (and others') fabulous tutorials here on 8F. What more would anyone need? So no need to go all over Googleland.

    And last, but not least, WinKey/Q is just one of the convenient services of MS via 8.1 Charms search. I guess you wouldn't know that either since you're a, ahem, "real" Windows user.
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  7. #77


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    Triple Boot Win7, Win8.1 and 10


    [QUOTE=HippsieGypsie;361282] 95% could care less how the thing works, nor are they interested in learning it deeply. They just want it fixed. It’s been no different for years.
    QUOTE]

    I couldn't agree more, to me the poor sales of 8/8.1 is a direct result of the fact that most Windows users don't want any hassle when going about their stuff. With Windows 8's already so badly beaten up reputation, and Windows 7 (and XP)working just fine, why should people with so little interest in deep knowledge of computing take the trouble of getting themselves out of their comfort zones
    (W7, XP) and delve into an OS that's so different to what they're used to?
    Most Windows 7 users don't care much for anything other than navigating the internet or an eventual Word usage for college or school. My 31 year old sister is such a user, she has been using PCs with Windows since Windows XP 5 years ago and she sees no use in computers other than to stay connected to the internet (friends, YouTube etc...). So why should she take any interest in some new OS that even on her phone is causing hassle?
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  8. #78


    Rio
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    Triple Boot Win7, Win8.1 and 10


    sorry, duplicate message
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  9. #79


    Germany/Florida
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    Vista and Win7


    And don't forget Vista. That's my wife's comfort zone,
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  10. #80


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    Windows 8.1 Pro 64-bit


    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    And don't forget Vista. That's my wife's comfort zone,
    Vista........

    I won't comment on my wife's tastes...she'll beat me up.
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