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Is 8 and 8.1 creating OS illiterate smartphone users?

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    Quote Originally Posted by broe23 View Post
    The good ole days, were when we did not have to deal with the garbage coming out of the likes of Microsoft.
    You got it exactly - The sun shone all day in the summer, it snowed every Christmas eve, the rich were generous and the poor were noble. Then Bill Gates invented windows and suddenly we have global warming, missing planes and even poor old Gwyneth Paltrow has to separate. Yikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adamf View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by broe23 View Post
    The good ole days, were when we did not have to deal with the garbage coming out of the likes of Microsoft.
    You got it exactly - The sun shone all day in the summer, it snowed every Christmas eve, the rich were generous and the poor were noble. Then Bill Gates invented windows and suddenly we have global warming, missing planes and even poor old Gwyneth Paltrow has to separate. Yikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    HG, quick question: How do you make those screenshots on your W8P. With mine it says to push the Home and Power-on buttons at the same time. That always only gets me a screenshot of the home screen. What am I missing - maybe my 521 is a bit retarded ??
    I found it odd that when you do a search on this, that you get a lot of Windows 7 Phone sites. Take screenshots with your Windows Phone | Windows Phone How-to (United States)

    Now of course you do have the fact, that even Mozilla realized that the adoption rate on the W8 Phone was too low, to even come out with a browser for those devices. ww.wpcentral.com/firefox-windows-8-dead-company-cites-low-user-adoption

    Mozilla even took away the ability to use Firefox in the Metro Interface on 8.x. This is from Feb. 27th this year. "
    Microsoft Plans Price Cut for Windows Phone 8 Licenses"

    "
    In a bid to spur adoption, Microsoft is reportedly preparing to take an ax to the fee it charges OEMs for Windows Phone 8 licenses.
    Microsoft is reportedly on the verge of slashing Windows Phone 8 licensing fees, a move that may help the company make gains against Android and iOS, the current mobile operating system champs. The software giant is said to be
    mulling a similar gambit
    to shore up OEM support for low-cost Windows 8.1 tablets and other devices.During Mobile World Congress in Barcelona, Spain, Infosonics CEO Joseph Ram Sascha Segan
    toldPCMag
    that his company is "hearing Microsoft will drop the license fee quite a bit, as far as 70 percent, which will make their product more competitive in terms of price." Infosonics is a provider of low-cost Android handsets to Latin American markets as well as unlocked devices for the United States.Windows Phone licenses cost between $23 and $30,
    according
    to handset maker ZTE. Ram also told
    PCMag
    , "We're seeing trends that Microsoft is working with major chip makers to create the right ecosystem to be able to bring cheaper products to market." He added that under the new pricing scheme, it wouldn't be hard to introduce Windows Phones that are price-competitive with Android.In a smartphone market currently dominated by Android devices like Samsung's popular Galaxy handsets and Apple's iPhone, Microsoft lags far behind. The company made a bold move to reverse its mobile fortunes, when in September, after months of rumors, it announced the
    acquisition of Nokia's mobile hardware unit for $7.1 billion
    . Nokia is Microsoft's premier Windows Phone partner."
    Microsoft Plans Price Cut for Windows Phone 8 Licenses: Reports This is from the 28th of Feb. What we know about Windows Phone 8.1 so far From the 22nd of Feb. Windows 8 Devices Get Cheap - InformationWeek
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    Everything I have found. It is not users being illiterate that is killing Windows 8.x & W8 Phone. It is the devices with Microsoft's OS running on them, that is driving away customers to the other OS's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by broe23 View Post
    Everything I have found. It is not users being illiterate that is killing Windows 8.x & W8 Phone. It is the devices with Microsoft's OS running on them, that is driving away customers to the other OS's.
    Something tells me that you have a problem with anything Microsoft regardless of what it may be. . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by broe23 View Post
    Everything I have found. It is not users being illiterate that is killing Windows 8.x & W8 Phone. It is the devices with Microsoft's OS running on them, that is driving away customers to the other OS's.
    Problem is that the alternatives are not really any brighter. You can always be enthusiastic about the products of the fruit company or Linux (like me), but that requires a big investment of money or acedemic power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adamf View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by broe23 View Post
    The good ole days, were when we did not have to deal with the garbage coming out of the likes of Microsoft.
    You got it exactly - The sun shone all day in the summer, it snowed every Christmas eve, the rich were generous and the poor were noble. Then Bill Gates invented windows and suddenly we have global warming, missing planes and even poor old Gwyneth Paltrow has to separate. Yikes.
    The problem is that Gates did not invent it. His hired help designed it. He just got up on the stage and thought that he was Steve Jobs, which he was not.

    Then comes along Coke Head Blamer. He just destroyed the company beyond any recognition. Only thing that is really keeping MS afloat, is the little bit of Enterprise customers he has.

    My state has been test benching a custom Linux distro, that they can roll out to all agencies, and are already migrating a lot of custom desktop apps to Web Browser based.
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    Broe23, I don't understand your point really. Is someone forcing you to use Windows? If not don't if you don't like it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by strollin View Post
    My feeling is that Win 8 and 8.1 revealed that many users are completely Windows illiterate despite the fact that they may have been using it for years. One small example, how many new Win 8 users don't know how to change the default program for opening a given file extension? They complain that they don't like the Metro app that opens to view photos but don't know how to change things to use the program they prefer.

    My sister is one such user, she has been using Windows for many years (and DOS before that) yet still has trouble copying files from one folder to another on her computer.
    That makes me incredibly sad. My computer illiterate mother (49 turning 50) who gets me to do just about everything knows how to copy to a new folder. And this is the woman who killed our Windows 98 machine deleting system files to uninstall anti-virus software. I hated the default option that you have to change at the start but switching the default program and getting the computer to recognize new program options is fairly simple stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by broe23 View Post
    Everything I have found. It is not users being illiterate that is killing Windows 8.x & W8 Phone. It is the devices with Microsoft's OS running on them, that is driving away customers to the other OS's.
    Problem is that the alternatives are not really any brighter. You can always be enthusiastic about the products of the fruit company or Linux (like me), but that requires a big investment of money or academic power.
    Incorrect. The alternatives are brighter, because they are allowing the user to get back into being in control of the OS.

    With iOS & Mac OS, it allows for what you do on Mac OS, to be capable of cross platformed over to the iOS devices. Same with Linux. What you can do on it, you can also do on Mac OS, iOS and Android. Once Apple brings the iTunes App store to the Android platform, it is all over.

    The new lead for Apple, is finally realizing that there are users using alternative OS's, that want to be able to have access to the same items that iOS & Mac OS users have.

    Look at Steam. They finally saw the light of a niche market with the Linux users. Steam runs faster and better in Linux, then it does in Windows.

    As for a big investment in Apple products. They are no more expensive then top of the line PC units which is what keeps those companies selling economy based lines afloat.

    Lets use the airlines & cruise lines as an example. It is not the flyers wanting a $200-350 one way ticket, or people wanting to go on a cruise with the $400-600 per person tickets & packages that keeps them going. It is those going for the highest priced tickets and paying large sums of money on the cruises, that pay the bills for the companies.

    Right now I can pick up a Mac Book for under $1,000.00, that will do everything that a $1500 Laptop will do and then some.

    Microsoft did not see the markets that Apple saw. When Microsoft tried, they have fallen flat on their face. With the Xbox market, it was to keep up with Sony, due to there was no other competition other then the PC & Mac market out there for gaming.

    Right now Sony is outselling Microsoft in more units then Microsoft ever realized.

    As a Finance major in Business Management, I pay attention to this stuff. Otherwise if I told a customer or client that came to me, and decided to go elsewhere, due to I did not know what is going on. My business would not still be here.

    To wrap up, here are a couple of links backing up why Sony is killing MS right now in the gaming market. SAPVoice: Why PS4 Is Selling Faster Than Xbox One - Forbes

    This article was just released today at 4:24 EDT. MS has decided to slash the Xbox One by $50, thinking that it will generate failing sales. Microsoft Cuts Xbox One Price by $50 to Increase Sales : Tech/Biz : Auto World News No what MS problem is. Is that they messed up rushing the platform to release it when Sony did. But also released units that failed out of the gates. They either were meant to be only for test purposes in house, or had bad hard drives and/or disc drives.

    February Sales numbers for PS4 vs. Xbox One. PS4 spanks Xbox One in early 2014 sales | Product Reviews Net From the 22nd this month, regarding Surface sales. Are Microsoft Corporation's Surface Sales About to Fall Off a Cliff? (AAPL, MSFT, SSNLF)

    You still have speculators that keep stating that Microsoft is going to overtake Apple in 3 years. They state that every year. Guess what. Apple is still killing Microsoft in all markets, same as Sony is killing Microsoft in the Gaming market. Microsoft had their chance, but Gates & Ballmer thought otherwise that they would try for the consumer market that was looking for what they thought in their eyes as cheap and easy to use software & hardware.

    The biggest problems are that MS has had to go out and buy up companies that wrote software, due to their engineers could not figure out how to do it, or it infringed on the copyrights of the competition. So why not just buy them out. They never got the hardware division figured out. Look at all of the problems with the Xbox 360. Still having them with the Xbox One. They had to slice the cost of OS & the Surface last year, due to they could not even give the stuff away.

    Even when they gave hardware away and OS along with other software away, user adoption failed to show the numbers that MS Sales & Marketing department wanted.
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